FIRST POST! i am currently fishing a phillipson 6foot master into the ground (i need another one) and am curious if anyone else is throwing that stick and what
line they're using. i started with a sage quiet double taper ll 4wt and switched to a sylk double taper 4wt. thanks
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Sport
Posts: 1 (07/23/09 06:41:32) |
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Posts: 3850 (07/23/09 08:04:17) ezOP |
Hi,
Welcome to the Fiberglass Flyrodders! If you look through the archives you will find quite a few posts about Phillipson fly rods. Their were a couple of different versions of the 6 foot Phillipson Master. The earlier rods had a tan blank with yellow wraps (like the rod in the photo above). These had Phillipson nickel silver ferrules. The next version was a tan blank with green/brown jasper wraps and nickel ferrules. Finally there was a lighter tan version with glass ferrules and brown wraps. The very earliest Phillipson Masters had clear finished, Eponite rod blanks and nickel ferrules, but I don't know if there was a 6 foot model. As far as fly lines go, my Master is labeled for a 6 weight line, but I like it better with a 5 weight. Getting another Phillipson Master is possible, with some patience. There is usually a slow trickle of Phillipson rods on eBay and Masters come up from time to time. The same happens on the forum For Sale board. In the Collecting forum, their is a post about Vintage Glass tackle dealers pinned to the top of the board. Many of these dealers have Phillipsons move through their shop (don't hesitate - the little Phillipsons turn over quickly). Finally, you can contact Rick's Rods in Denver. Rick has the stash of old Phillipson blanks and materials. He may be able to sell you a 6 foot blank and you can have it built to your specifications. Rick also has a few new-old-stock Phillipson Registered Epoxite factory made rods, which would be a step up from the Masters. The 6'6" Midge Epoxite is a little slower action than the 6 foot Master, but it is just as fun. Tom |
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Sport
Posts: 2 (07/23/09 10:38:54) |
thanks, tom.
mine is the green/brown version, nickle ferrules 6wt. the sage 4wt line was nice weightwise but i ended up cutting it short to fit on my reel ( CFO l ) - that's why i changed to the less bulky sylk 4wt. i haven't fished it yet but i think it might be too light. i've spoken with rick on occasion - he sold me this rod. anyway thanks again for the info. best, david |
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Posts: 5097 (07/23/09 11:00:11) Administrator |
fantastic rod.
I fish mine with a Teeny First cast WF6 or a Teeny BS100 sinking line. IMO, the only Phillipson I've ever seen that is a true 5-wt, is the EF76
the rods are never obsolete - the marketing is.
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dgb |
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Sport
Posts: 3 (07/24/09 16:28:07) |
thanks, i will definitely check out that line. and you are right about that rod being special.
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Posts: 776 (07/27/09 23:52:11) |
hey welcome aboard dave, you've started off with a fine glass rod. many phillipson enthusiasts here. let us know what line you end up going with. i just
got a 7'6" johnson profile and i'm looking forward to choosing the correct line for it (as soon as it gets here). take care. -mike
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Sport
Posts: 4 (07/30/09 06:56:22) |
thanks mike - i actually went out and bought both Teeny lines that ron recommended - i haven't used the First cast WF6 yet - i suspect that it is going to
work out nicely after looking at the line itself ( the Sylk DT 4WT was as i suspected - too light - the rod didn't load deep enough in my opinion. ) i did
use the Teeny BS100 sinking line and thought it was just a tad on the heavy side - better suited for a MF70 say - don't know for sure as i have never cast
that stick but if anyone knows where i can find one i'm all ears. i think that is the slowest sinking line Teeny makes so i'm not sure where i go from
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the 7' 6" johnson profile that you're getting might match up better with the BS100 - again i'm not really sure of the dynamics of that particular rod. as far a sinking line goes right now it's back to split shot. best - dave |
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Master Guide
Posts: 2388 (07/30/09 10:08:28) |
Good morning Dave,
What kind of leader are you using with your sinking lines? I fish the 6ft 6 1/2ft and 7ft Masters just like yours occasionally and find they are perfectly matched to quite a few good 6wt sinking lines. The key for me was switching to Furrled Tapered leaders a few years ago. I get mine from one of the members on this forum, Joni, "flygoddess" for my sinking leaders she adds some celvar thread to add a little more weight and no need for split shot then. You might drop her a note and see if she has time to make you up a couple. Be sure to tell her exactly what line and wt your using, and the size flys your going to use, getting the leader made up and taper right for your line weight and fly size makes a big difference. The Scotchply based rods are amoung my favorite highend Phillipsons, although unless Im fishing the river in tight cover I have to admit my go to rod 80% of the time is the Johnson Profile 800 7 1/2ft standard grip as in my profile pic here, has been for a couple of years now, its also a 6wt and same blank material as yours. Don't know if its because its a bit longer than the shorter Masters but Ive found it can work well with a slightly overweight Bass taper (6.5wt) and even a lightweight 7S as well. But the slightly shorter Masters really shine with a 6 Sinking line and a really good leader. Richard |
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Sport
Posts: 5 (07/31/09 10:00:04) |
richard thanks for the info - nothing fancy with the leaders ( i think i was using rio's maxplus 5WT ) cut down to 6' length with a double caddis
emerger set up ( they weigh nothing which is why i went to a sinking line in the first place ) . The BS100 was giving me a slingshot effect which i equated to
the weight of the line. Unless the water is really deep and fast - moving , i think my preference would be to use my regular floating line with a sinking
leader which is what i think you are suggesting. i will try to reach joni, thanks. On another note - i'll be wading the big horn this september and i'm
looking for a rod that handle a little more weight than the MF60 whick is why i'm shopping for either a MF70 or 80. I'm not that familiar with the
Johnson Profile 800 7 1/2 you have. pardon my ignorance, but is this a rod made during the same era as the phillipson's masters?
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Posts: 108 (07/31/09 10:22:50) |
bulldog1935 wrote: Ron - I thought you used T-130 on your 6wts. |
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Sport
Posts: 6 (07/31/09 15:51:03) |
i just ordered a Teeny Mini Tip in a 4Wt - it is a WF floating line with a 5' sinking tip. in theory this sounds like a good allocation of floating to
sinking line for the 6' phillipson in the kind of water i'm fishing - catskill streams now and midsize western rivers in the fall.
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Master Guide
Posts: 778 (08/01/09 00:37:57) |
hey dgb,
i've got a buddy who can't say enough good about the teeny mini tip lines. i just got a T-200 for streamers, but won't use it much until this fall. and a rod you might think about that'll carry plenty of weight (that'll cost you a lot less that a phillipson) is a fenwick FF807. they come up for sale pretty frequently at a fraction of the cost, but they're great rods for heavily weighted nymphs and probably streamers. it's fun shopping isn't it? |
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Sport
Posts: 7 (08/03/09 13:28:51) |
mike, ( i hope that's right) my sense is that sinking lines/tiips are little trickier in how they match up to the rod than floating lines - or maybe
i'm making it more complicated than it need be. i am looking forward to the mini tip on the MF60 and i will check out the fenwick - althought i have to say
my allegiance is to the 'master' series. one of these days i'm going to score that 7' or 8' phillipson and then all this is going to start
once again - can't wait.
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Master Guide
Posts: 782 (08/07/09 02:43:45) |
it is a fun process. i sold of a 8' epoxite and just got the scotchply 7'6" 800 series johnson profile. though i really value/appreciate the
opinions of the guys on this site, my tastes don't always align with them. i really savour finding the combination that really works with/for me.
take care. -mike |
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