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Riffling Hitch	A big complaint I wanted to vent about orvis	Lead	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 509 (06/24/09 15:24:47) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	For a company that claims to be environmental they sure send an awful lot of paper my way. I have received at least 6 catalogs from them since december and they are all their flyfishing catalog. I do not even by anything from them aside from a few spare parts for their old reels. The catalogs have different pictures on the front but the stuff inside is all the same. I do not know if it is printed on recycled paper but it uses a lot of fuel and I am sure most of it ends up in a landfill taking up space. I keep forgetting to do it but I am going to call them and try and be taken off the list. I do not think that thier catalog practice is in line with their environmental front. there, Russell
mdwwhw		#1	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 585 (06/24/09 15:52:41) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	They may be trying to get as much time in front of potential customers as they can. With fishing being discretionary spending--ok, not for anybody that belongs to this board--advertising is probably their best method of keeping sales up in our current economy. Orvis isn't the only merchant pelting me with catalogues and emails these days. I know, conflicts with the image they want to project and may truly support. As Kermit would sing, "It ain't easy being green". In the meantime, fish venerable fiberglass. The environmental hit was taken decades ago. Hayden "Everything's better when wet...." Steve Miller Band
TimJ		#2	[-]
Sport Posts: 27 (06/24/09 20:42:54) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	In this economy someone keeping a printer busy I'd have a hard time faulting them. They are probably fighting to stay above water and when the choice is 'green or 'in business' they will be sending out all the catalogs they can afford. If they go out of business then you can be sure they will never send out an ad again. We lost our Sportsmans warehouse in a move to down size because of debt so it can happen in the sporting goods world. Tim
Riffling Hitch		#3	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 510 (06/24/09 22:14:08) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	It's interesting how it becomes OK in a bad economy. That could be taken a long way in the business world. At least some of the companys stick to commitments and still seem to be doing well. As far as the big box store sporting good stores go, I am not real sad to see them go. And maybe some of the small mom and pop stores can spring back up that they pushed out. Just me, Russell
JeffSod		#4	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 1177 (06/25/09 08:47:46) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Russell I just received another one yesterday myself and thought another one??? Enough already. Someone gave me a website link to remove myself from all the catalogs that I receive. Worked very well as it cut back on a bunch with one stop shopping. Of course some of the same companies send the same catalogs in the wifes name too. We certainly don't need two of everyone. Found the link to edit the catalogs you receive- http://www.catalogchoice.org/ Last Edited By: JeffSod 06/25/09 09:00:38. Edited 1 times.
TimJ		#5	[-]
Sport Posts: 28 (06/25/09 14:12:36) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Really I don't care if they send them out in a good economy either. I would not be considered 'green', whatever that means. I have seen for the past decade the government push for corn based ethanol and E85 cars as 'green' and that makes me skeptical of anything that has the 'green' label to it. Paper is a renewable resource and should also be recycled, if my community can do it then any place can. I have no problem with conserving if that is what someone wants to do. Also some places need to have a lot of trees cut down but because of 'green' groups like the Sierra Club places like the Black Hills have streams go dry more often then they use to. Right now they are getting some actual management done but the amount of trees there now as compared to 130 years ago is amazing. Trees can kill a forest. Tim
Riffling Hitch		#6	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 511 (06/25/09 15:22:27) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	JS, thanks for the link. That should take care of it. Tim, "Trees can kill a forest"???. The forests seemed to do just fine before we got to them. Being from the PNW I can tell you that there is not timber like there was. A forest can be managed in many ways such as timber, recreation, aesthetics, and wildlife. The problem with managing our forests just for timber is that the regrowth will never meet its final stage of succession. This creates less diversity in our forests and eliminates plant and animal habitat that once existed. I am in no way a radical and do not want to tell you how you should go about your business and if you want six copies of the same catalog sent to you that is fine with me. I also do not wish for stores to close or people to lose their job and I did not mean to come across that way but I am still not upset to see some of them go. Russell
TimJ		#7	[-]
Sport Posts: 29 (06/25/09 15:45:24) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Riffling Hitch wrote: Tim, "Trees can kill a forest"???. The forests seemed to do just fine before we got to them. Being from the PNW I can tell you that there is not timber like there was. A forest can be managed in many ways such as timber, recreation, aesthetics, and wildlife. The problem with managing our forests just for timber is that the regrowth will never meet its final stage of succession. This creates less diversity in our forests and eliminates plant and animal habitat that once existed. Exactly my point... in a way. The forest I am talking about is one of the few in america that is documented from nearly the very first time 'white man' entered it. The Black Hills was well photographed by Custers party in 1874. Fires are put out and there has been so much fighting over logging that you literally can't see the forest that was there for the trees. There is a book that was done by a photographer who recreated the 1874 photographs and it is amazing how over grown the forest is now. The trees actually suck up much of the water that use to flow down the streams. It has also drastically changed the deer population. I understand that you are not a radical and I hope you can see I'm not 180 the other way. I just believe in wise management and not the don't cut or else mentality that some groups have now. In no way do I think a forest in the PNW should be managed the same way as one in South Dakota or Georgia. If we are going to put out fires we have to manage them and many times that means cutting some down. I also agree with you that sending out a bunch of catalogs to the same people is dumb on many levels. Tim
Kenov		#8	[-]
Guide Posts: 105 (06/26/09 09:26:17) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I'm with you Riffling Hitch. The amount of TU mailings I get really amazes me too. Yeah, I know they do it for a reason, but waste is waste. Certainly, though, even our "healthy" forests need better management. Not long ago, I wrote an article on how indigenous peoples often cultivated their environments. Controlled burns, to think forests, is an example.
caddis4		#9	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 314 (06/28/09 08:34:21) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I hear what you guys are saying.....but: we lost Stoddards here in the Boston area - knew it all my life as "THE" Orvis store. Went to River's Edge in Beverly to pick up some tying materials....store CLOSED...another Orvis equipped store. Now I have to pay $20 to park at the Quincy Market in Boston for the closest Orvis store to me. Things are tough for businesses. They need to get themselves in front of the consumer to compete for the dwindling discretionary dollar. Catalog marketing is not so environmentally wasteful......IF WE DO OUR PART and bring those "dated" catalogs and other mailings to our local RECYCLING locations. Yes, the long and short of it is: it's up to us to minimize the waste!! And those catalog publishers employ a lot of people. Then there's the postal workers, and on and on. Sorry if I sound as though I'm standing on a "soap box", but we need to do what it takes to get the economy back on its feet. If it means a trip to the recycling plant once every week or so, fine, they (recyclers) need jobs too. *"All good things are wild and free*......" Henry David Thoreau
keebranch		#10	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 931 (06/28/09 15:25:43) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Caddis4, You nailed my sentiments: we need to consider all sides of the issue-not just one. Les Ultralight fly fishing forum Creek guy and light liner
flyboy912		#11	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 329 (06/28/09 23:02:48) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I ordered a nickel and dime product from Orvis, don't remember what it was, oh, it was the box of flies for $9.99, limit one per household. Good deal. Then Orvis sent me a $25 dollar gift card for goodwill. Very good deal. They have braided loop connectors at 40% off, so I order six packets, each the size of a playing card, each contains six connectors, using the gift card and a little of my own money. Orvis sent out the six packets in FOUR separate folded over plastic bags, each big enough to hold a sleeping bag, and each marked as one pound by UPS. This was a good deal for me, I have 36 braided loop connectors, and a good deal for UPS, need I say why. I hope the venerable Orvis can sustain itself in the future in spite of the shipping department.
gypsy		#12	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 537 (06/29/09 01:01:41) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Orvis has survived the Civil War, WW1, Great Depression, WW2, and too many recessions and calamities to count so it's pretty safe to assume they're not going to go belly up due to our current economic situation. I know I'm in the minority here but I think if Orvis wants to wear the "green label" and enjoy the money that comes with it then they should at the very least make an effort to eliminate the wasteful practice of sending duplicate catalogs to households. That would take a minimum effort on their part that would produce tangible environmental benefits in the short and long term. Heck, if Orvis is sincere (I believe they are) about reducing they're "carbon foot print" eliminating duplicate and multiple catalg mailings would be a easy place to start. With the exception of 3 catalogs that I still receive once a year I opted out of receiving paper catalogs a long time ago so I haven't seen an Orvis catalog recently but I can't help but wonder if they are even printed in the U.S.A.; on paper that was made in the U.S.A? Recycling is good but a tree was still cut down, driven to the mill, processed into paper, driven or shipped to the printer, printed, shipped back to the orvis catalog distribution center, and finally driven to someones home. Eventually it makes it way to the Landfill or if it's lucky gets recycled and again gets shipped off to be made into pulp, paper, printed, shipped......... Compare that to not excessively printing catalogs and you have a substantial environmental savings that might eventually lead to cooler cleaner rivers. Gypsy Rod Works
flyboy912		#13	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 330 (06/29/09 08:37:59) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I had a problem with Harbor Freight. They sent so many catalogs it seemed there was one a week. Same with Northern Tool. Sent me hundreds of catalogs. Now it is a heavy machinery sales outfit. Eventually they quit if you don't buy anything. Why do they do it? Well, one thing I learned in business school, when times are tough, you don't fire your salesmen, and that is what a catalog is. At least all the plastic bags Orvis sent me with the little packets were green (colored).
flyboy912		#14	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 331 (06/29/09 10:55:47) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Boy did I make a mistake. I just noticed the labels on these Orvis bags were from different sources. They were sold out at the main operation and so contacted the individual stores. The other stores sent me the braided loop connectors from their stocks. Orvis ate the additional shipping charges rather than tell me they were sold out. Maybe this is why they have been in business since Peter, Paul and Moses.
pearow		#15	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 1632 (06/29/09 13:28:22) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Well, i get a cabela's catalogue almost every day. I have the new spring and summer; the clothing and footwear, the fall preview, the new fly fishing, the tackle craft, the fishing and marine, the footwear ; those are in just the month of June. My latest orvis came yesterday. Latest count totals was Orvis-4; Cabela's 7!!!!!If i only had one of those Arkansas outhouses out of the past; my grandma would be tickled pink; all we got back in the DAY was Sears and Spegal; the Spegal one was all glossy pages. Uuuuggggg!!!!
caddis4		#16	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 316 (06/29/09 13:59:33) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	don't know how many of you are in sales, but I remember taking a sales training class where the instructor quoted, " it takes on the average of five attempts before the buyer agrees to buy." hence, the numbet of catalogs you receive. *"All good things are wild and free*......" Henry David Thoreau
keebranch		#17	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 933 (06/29/09 15:28:02) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	caddis4, Like you I am in sales, and I sell items that reinforce a message. It is our hope that these promotional products stay in "front of sight" to be keep the message going. It's part of the marketing mix along with print media and ads on the Internet. These catalogs have an audience, and they create a return on someones investment. The only way they will only disappear if people no longer buy from them. Les Ultralight fly fishing forum Creek guy and light liner
Riffling Hitch		#18	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 516 (06/29/09 16:53:40) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Hopefully they pick up two people for everyone they lose like me. I did not mind getting the one fly fishing catalog yearly and would not even mind it if they sent me a supplemental insert (like anglers workshop) of new stuff they added or sales. (They actually send me that also in their paper) Now I will be getting 0 catalogs from orvis and not seeing any of it even once. I also looked on their web sight and was surprised to find out they use no post consumed product in their catalogs or other paper and packaging. This is not something I would typically look at but since the thread is still going. If no one buys and uses the recycled products like paper that uses partial recycled paper then it will not be profitible and jobs in this industry will be lost as well as the ability to consume less and dispose of less. I would at least think that if they promote recycling their catalog and paper that they would purchase some to suport the insustry. I do apreciate that they do some things and are trying to do more but I still do not need or want 4-6 of the exact same catalogs with a different cover each year. Russell
flyboy912		#19	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 332 (06/29/09 19:22:52) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Heh, heh, Russel, I bet that if Victoria's Secret mistakenly included you on their mailing list and sent you 4-6 of the same catalog with different covers, you wouldn't mind, or even notice, and in fact would be looking forward to the next mailing with rapt anticipation to learn what's new and latest in their revered product line.
Riffling Hitch		#20	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 517 (06/29/09 19:30:52) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	With what's free on the net. Have not bothered to pick one up in years.

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