photo by jgestar Very early Fenwick FF84 |
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CreationBear.clarksclassicfl... |
Vintage Multi-piece rods |
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All these "best of" and "wish lists" have got me thinking: what vintage, trout weight, multi-piece rods are worth owning? Certainly the
San Francisco Scott 5-piece rods are nonpareil, as are the Russ Peak Zeniths we all drooled over lately, but do any others come to mind? For whatever reason,
I suspect that not many will compare with modern offerings such as McFarland, Steffen, or various Japanese manufacturers, but I'd like to be
wrong!
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CrustyBugger |
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I hear nothinggggg! I see nothingggg! I know nothinggggg!!!!!
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Upstreeam |
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I've got an FF70-4 (5/6 wt., mostly 6 for me) and an FF756-4 (6 wt.), both decidedly worth owning. Multi-piece modern rods are honey Lamis in
7'6" (4 wt., 4 pc.), 7' (3 wt. 4 pc.), and a 7' McF. Vintage (3 wt. 3 pc.). A little unfair to compare old to new because of the different
line weights and the fact that I consistently find spigot ferrule rods extra smooth. But the Fenwicks are very nice rods in those configurations.
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CrustyBugger |
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I think you are on the mark about the Scott multipiece rods and I think they do compare favorably to the current offerings from current manufacturers. Many of
the rods with internal/spigot ferrules from Scott, Fisher, and a very few Phillipsons are in that stunning performance category. Berkley's Parametric rods
had internal ferrules as well as some others and were very good but didn't make the quality of rod that those other manufacturers did. The question I think
you're asking is if you don't count the internal/spigot ferruled rods, which multipiece rods were pretty good. That's a tough question. I think
you're right. It's not very many. I'm not fond of short metal multi-ferruled rods. They're heavy and clubby. This includes the metal spigot
type ferrules. If it is multi piecer with metal ferrules, 3 pieces (2 ferrules) is the limit in my mind. You can extend these arguments to cane or graphite
just as easily, in my mind. This basically leaves rods with tip over butt type ferrules. Here it is hit and miss. There are some good ones and some that stink
and that can happen from the same line of rods one length or weight class away. It also varies with who's casting it just like any other rod. I've cast
a particular 8' 4-piece 7 wt. Heddon with tip into butt sleeved ferrules that I really liked. Wish I could get my hands on one.
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CreationBear |
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Thanks for the replies, gentlemen! I think one thing that came out when Tom Morgan was gracious enough to ask our feedback on rod design was the desire for
multi-piece offerings. Maybe it is a "modern" need: I doubt many of us can just roll up to a trout stream in a passenger car, jump out, and go
fishin' these days. (As for myself, I'm especially handicapped because I fish almost exclusively out of a backpack.) I'll look forward to more
candidates....
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corlay |
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CreationBear wrote:Um.... that's *all* I do. I never have to walk more than 50yds. to hit my spots. The only "hiking" I do, is once I'm on the water; fishing wets from riffle run to the next riffle run. I cover a good bit of ground....er water that way. I guess I should consider myself lucky?
"From my observations I think that most of us spend too much time worrying about our tackle and too little time
learning the intimate characteristics of the fish and streams we fish most."
- Ray Bergman
Trout, New York: Knopf 1938 |
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CreationBear |
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"I guess I should consider myself lucky?" After seeing the pics from the Willowemoc, I should say so!
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CrustyBugger |
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I don't know if it's just a modern need. It may be. There were plenty of 3 piece offerings in cane and not just the longer lengths. There are a few
metal ferruled fiberglass offerings in 3 and 4 piece above 8 feet. But there are very few in 8 feet and under, let alone good ones. Multipiece rods of
distinction may be the true genius and legacy of Harry Wilson of Scott rods.
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corlay |
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CreationBear wrote:It's funny... Route 17 winds through about 60miles of supreme trout water, running parallel to and criss-crossing: West Branch Delaware East Branch Delaware Beaverkill Willowemoc from Deposit all the way to Liberty. just get off at any exit, and fish...
"From my observations I think that most of us spend too much time worrying about our tackle and too little time
learning the intimate characteristics of the fish and streams we fish most."
- Ray Bergman
Trout, New York: Knopf 1938
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The scientific angler's system 6 5pc is an awesome rod! One of my favorites and probably the best deal I will ever get!
Unfortunatley it's appears not many were made although, Muddleroh sold one recently on this site. Waynebh |
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PflighFission |
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I consider my Fenwick FF80-4, 8-foot, 4-piece, 6wt., worth owning.
Bob
Of all the liars among mankind the fisherman is the most trustworthy"
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Arctic Grayling |
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PflighFission wrote: That's very good to hear, because I just bought one of them! I have two other Fenwicks, but they are two piece rods. |
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Excellent...I'll definitely look forward to rod reviews from you gentlemen.!
Cap't Bob: BTW, I've been tying up "hare" trudes all summer...seem as if they might catch a fish, but they're still not as pretty as yours. |
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flyfishing4goldentrout |
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My current favorite has been with me for a while its a Phillipson Deluxe Swamp Fox Spin Fly rod. at 7ft 6in and 6wt it fits right in with where I live and
fish. According to Johnson's book the tip over butt ferruling dates to around 1969 however the decaling dates more to the middle 60s so I have no idea
exactly when it first showed up in the abesense of catalogues from Phillipson. Anyway its a sweet rod if you spot one.
Richard
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CreationBear |
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Richard-- Thanks for the photos and information...I've always been one to ignore "spin-fly" set-ups, but it seems Phillipson raised the bar here
as well.
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Arctic Grayling |
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I have that same Phillipson Swamp Fox rod. I haven't fished it because I wasn't sure that I liked the reel seat. But I put a reel on it this weekend
and it doesn't seem that bad, so I might just have to fish it before everything freezes up..
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flyfishing4goldentrout |
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Its my go to rod when we pack back into the golden trout wilderness as soon as they open the snow gates. Ive used the spinning reel I think perhaps for three
days thus far. There are a couple of warm water springs up high that keep some frogs and such alive year round. Around those brief areas is where millions of
hatchling trout feed and hang out. As such between the baby trout and frogs etc, its a feeding paradise for the bigger trout. We were up in that area this last
weekend. I tried to take some pictures with a new camera my son brought me up but as yet haven't figured out how to download the pictures to my old Tower,
Im expecting the laptop back any day, they say they shipped it this morning. As so as I can I will post some first try pictures of the upper kern river and the
south entrance to the golden trout wilderness.
Anyway back to the rod, its a great fly rod with a young lightweight pridex, balances perfectly. I also use it with an old fashioned mitchell 400 spinning reel and 4# test. Because of the location, its artificals and flys only, single hook barbless, so I have a couple of plastic frogs and minnows for the spinning rod and some foam frogs that Gilbuster over on the BassPond site made up. Along with some new ones from this springs BassPond flyswap. The frogs really bring the big trout (called California golden rainbow, they are a cross of Golden trout that have slipped down the river over the falls into the main river and bread with the native rainbow trout. California lists them as a sub species. Anyway they get pretty big, several being caught this last saturday in the 15-18inch size. I might add that unless weither and fire conditions take a change for the worse before spring, the hatch of young fish this year is awsome in the small creek mouths leading into the river I saw litterally millions of tiny trout feeding on the current hatch (termites, two varities of dragon flys, a purple and a gold wing tan. Phillipson really knew how to make a really good Spin Fly.Next time I contact Mike at McFarland Im gonna see if I can get a 4 piece 7 1/2ft 6wt blank and make my own Spin Fly, built right they really shin. Richard |
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CreationBear |
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Richard--
You know, that is the first time I ever heard of a trout eating a frog...maybe I should sort through my old warmwater boxes and expand my horizons! |
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flyfishing4goldentrout |
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small frogs, say about the size of a quarter, yep I suspect those big trout have been eating those same frogs around those springs for a couple of millions
years. I dought every trout eats frogs, but those in the area of the three high country hot springs do. There is such a spring near a place called McNalleys
Fairfair, up river about 20 miles from Kernville. In winter when the river is maybe 35 degrees and its 20 degrees outside that little patch around the hot
spring is still in the 60s or even low 70s and the edges are always full of insects and those small frogs, and those trout hang out and eat everything too.
Guess its just keeping your eyes open once you settle down to living in one area and really fishing it almost daily for a few years.
Richard BTW there is a spot on the NE corner of the lake below my house (Isabella with 54 miles of shoreline) that has such a hot spring near a really marshy and cattail kind of place, its a wildlife refuge just a few feet North for miles and mile. Anyway I think someone released some form of small equadic turtle nearby, so their has been a colony of colorfull lets say up to 1/2in diameter turtles around that hot spring for over 20 years. The hugh bass hang out there and feed on them all winter. Ive been playing with and making some foam turtles about the size of a nickle that are very productive on the local LM Bass. (green shell yellow bottom) Richard
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CreationBear |
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Between the altitude and the geothermal action (not to mention the weather patterns coming off the Pacific) there must be some really interesting
"micro-climates" in your part of the world--not exactly the classic Catskills scenario, but it must be really neat to be able to get
"dialed-in" to what's happening on-stream.
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flyfishing4goldentrout |
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Hahaha you said a mouth full. The south fork of the Kern wanders off into the desert to our east, but before it disappears it runs through a willow and swamp
area that you would thinkyou were in the Buyou's fireflys and all. Full of big Catfish and blue gill and croppie. Also some big bass too. With around a 100
miles of accessable river frontage, the 54 miles of lake frontage and untold numbers of springs feeding creeks and ponds, there is so much fishing its unreal,
mostly 12 month seasons too. Ive fished this area as a weekender for over 50 years, and didn't really get to know the eco systems and micro climates till I
retired and started fishing every day. I learn something every single day I go out and try new area's at least one day a week.
Labor day we had a hatch up river of purple dragoon flys, real babies, about an inch long. Trout were going wild for them. This last saturday I had my newly tied purple dragoon flys with me another 15 miles up river from the Labor day workout and low and behold the dragoon fly hatch had matured to around 3 inches in that area and gold wings and tan bodies. The fish wouldn't even look at my purple version, clearly another local unique hatch. Back to the tying bench. At least sense Labor day the turist are gone. We passed perhaps a hundred fly fishers along the 30 plus miles we drove up river, not bad for so many miles. Picked several spots with open water you could see forever and never see another fisherman to fish ourselves. Sure hope I can get the darn pictures downloaded from the new camera, most are just of the river and hatches etc, trying out the new camera, but it really will give you a great idea what the Kern River is like in late summer/fall when the turist and rafters go home. Just exactly why so many fly fishers are retired up here. Richard |
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