Cortland glass owners: Pro-Crest, FR-2000 opinions

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docbluedevil	Cortland glass owners: Pro-Crest, FR-2000 opinions	Lead	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 39 (07/26/08 01:04:27) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	[I've seen sporadic threads and posts within posts between Wacokid & Paveglass & Waynebh regarding opinions of Cortland glass rods and thought it would be helpful (at least to me) to amalgamate them as well as other's experience.] So, I have a Cortland Pro-Crest 8'0" 6/7 wt (metal ferruled) rod on its way to me cuz it was novel to me, minty, and inexpensive enough to give it a whirl. Questions: 1) Differences in actions between between glass vs. metal-ferruled Pro-Crests? 2) Differences in action between Pro-Crest and FR-2000? 3) Your Cortland glass rod's action is similar to which other rods (e.g. Lamiglas, etc)? 4) Differences in aesthetics/fittings between Pro-Crest and FR-2000? 5) Your Cortland rod is balanced/mated with which reel?
Rockthief		#1	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 764 (07/26/08 03:41:51) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	those are excellent questions. I have seen several Pro Quest reels online for sale over the last year, one with a Pro-Crest rod. This will be fun and informative to see all of the answers.
flyflingerandy1		#2	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 461 (07/26/08 09:12:50) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	You have a fine rod on its way to you! If you search from the home page for Pro Crest, you will see any information you need on it. Those rods have a cult-like following and have somehow escaped the price gouging I have noticed on some other glass lately. Enjoy it! Andy
cofisher		#3	[-]
Posts: 811 (07/26/08 10:40:37) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Wacokid has both and from conversations I had with him, he loves them. I fished one of them (can't remember which) a few weeks ago and I was really impressed.
wacokid54		#4	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 240 (07/26/08 12:52:04) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I will try my best to add some value to this post. I have a one of each. Both are 5/6 weight, and I use both for trout fishing. Pro-Crest 8' Model 1-620-1 5/6 3.5 OZ Very standard plain metal reel seet in a brown color, downlocking, one ring. Metal winding check, has a hook keeper. Ugly (my opinion) color blank. I think they were trying for light caramel, but ended up babyshit brown. Butt has stripper and one snake, tip has 6 snakes and a tip, thread is a little darker than the blank, and wraps have an open spiral. Ferrules are glass, tip over butt with a wooden plug in the male end. Cork is not high quality, with plenty of holes. On my Pro-Crest the guides do not line up perfectly. Otherwise, workmanship is great. FR-2000 7.5' Model 1-625-1 5/6 3.5 OZ Very standard brown metal downlocking reel seat with 2 locking rings (which I like). Metal winding check, has a hook keeper . Nice looking brownish/red wine colored blank with a ;ittle translucence. Butt has ceramic insert stripper and one snake, tip has 6 snakes and a tip. Wraps are brown thread that has a little bit of translucene; you can see the foot of the guide through the thread. No open spiral, white trim. Glass ferrule, tip over butt with a wooden plug in the male end. Same average cork as Pro-Crest. Both rods are very nice, light trout rods. The Pro-Crest is a little slower. Both throw a 5 WF great. The FR-2000 handles a 6 WF fine. The Pro-Crest borders on overload with a 6 WF. I have had a Pflueger Medalist 1494 and 1494 1/2 on both rods. 1494 is too light. 1494 1/2 is a tad light for the 8' Pro-Crest. 1495 is probably the reel for the Pro-Crest, but I have not tried it yet. Both roll cast well. Cofisher cast the Pro-Crest, and liked it. He also felt the 6 WF was a bit of an overload. Actually, once he planted that idea in my head, I decided he was right! Of the two, I like the FR-2000 better, but not by much. I don't know if they were made during the same time period or not, but I suspect the FR-2000 is newer. I wish the FR-2000 was an 8 footer, for a little more line control, but it is a small matter. I was lucky with a good buy on both. The FR-2000 are usually more expensive. These are the only glass rods I have in this weight class. I have cast a 7.5 foot 5W Fenwick, and would say these compare pretty closely to that rod. I will try to add some photos later. Boy, I sure have learned a lot about flyrods from you guys!!!! wacokid54
paveglass		#5	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 751 (07/26/08 18:09:51) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	My ProCrest is a 7 1/2 ft 5/6 wt. It is a great rod with a glass ferrule, downlocking reel seat, and a soft action. Wacokid has perfectly described the color above :-) In my opinion it is the 5 wt equivalent of my favorite rod..the 7 1/2 ft, 4 wt Lamiglas honey colored blank. This is one of the rods that I sought to have a spare...and for a good reason. One of mine came to a bad end in a circumstance that involved a kayak, moving water, and a downed tree across the river. In my opinion, the best description of this rod is that it is a 5 wt version of the Lamiglass mentioned above. When I bought the 8 ft 5 wt version of the Lamiglas rod, it was not the 8 ft, 5wt perfection I had hoped for. The ProCrest is every bit of what I sought. It is a great rod, not terribly popular or sought after--slow, by anyone's measure...but that is what I like. Overall a great rod that fishes well and casts beautifully in near to mid ranges. I use it with a 5 wt. Highly recommended. Donny
docbluedevil		#6	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 40 (07/26/08 22:31:10) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	waco & pave, Thanks for the helpful info! I'll be sure to add my 2 cents when my metal-ferruled Pro-Crest 8'0" 6/7 wt gets here. I'm guessing that the metal ferrule may speed up the action a bit compared to its glass-ferruled counterpart. In a weird way, I'm most interested to see what the color of the blank looks like now!
waynebh		#7	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 100 (07/27/08 07:25:36) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Hi All; I own three Pro crests, 7 1/2' metal ferruled and 8' glass and 8' metal ferruled. I don't own or have ever cast the FR-2000 rods, just have'nt aquired/won any yet. The 7 1/2' metal ferruled model is a true 6wt for me, faster than either of the 8' models. Both 8' models are much better with a wf5 line for me. I don't notice any difference in the action of the two 8' models I hate to say this because I want to aquire a couple more of the 8' 5/6 weight models BUT! The 8' Pro-crest is one of my favorite rods!!! This is definetly a must have as far as a great casting slow fiberglass 5wt rod! The middle three rods in the images are the Pro-crests, front to back 7 1/2' metal ferrule,8' metal ferrule, & 8' glass ferrule. Notice that each rod has a slightly different reel seat..The rod in the back is another Cortland, not sure of what series it it but is real whippy! The one in the foreground is a Cortland Leon Chandler graphite 8 1/2' 6wt, another underrated rod! Not a Fisher blank but seems to be very similar to the fiberglass ferruled Pro-crests in ferrule design. Although this is a graphite rod, it's slow for graphite kinda more like a fast fiberglass. This is the only graphite rod I've fished this year, it's great for real windy weather where a little more line speed is desired. I think I paid $40.00 for it. Hope the pictures help with the unusual rod color(I still think it's a nice color unlike others, but the color descriptions are valid!) and various differences in the Pro-crest line. Waynebh
majicwrench		#8	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 818 (07/27/08 21:40:43) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	To answer your questions.. #1 I only have metal ferrules Pro Crests, always wanted a tip over butt, just never happened #2 BOth rods faily slow actioned. FR2000 is lighter rod, if rated 5/6 more of a 5 than a 6. I have a 8.5 6/7 FR2000 that I have used with a 5wt. #3 My Fr2000's are similiar to my Parametrics. Softer than comparable Fenwicks. #4 FR2000 prettier rod than Pro Crest IMHO. Gotta say, I kinda like the color of the ProCrests. #5 I use 1495's and MG72's on mine. Wrapping up, can't go wrong with any of the Cortland rods, and yes, they are still affordable. FR2000 uses tip/over butt that the male does not extend very far into the female, and it seems to me to work loose more often that say, a Fenwick does. I have a Cortland ad that shows FR2000 and Procrest for sale at same time. Keith
waynebh		#9	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 103 (07/28/08 09:22:37) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Hi All; As far as reels on my Pro Crests, I've used a pflueger 1494 & Pro Crest reel(marting 65). As Wacokid mentioned they both need a little weight to balance the rod. With the 1494 I used 30lb dacron backing to fill the spool and it balanced well as is. With the Pro Crest reel I used a little lead core fishing line to get it to balance. to accomplish this I wound the line on tip first then added lead core on top till it balanced the rod. this is real easy to do if you have two identical reels(I do) since you can wind all on one reel backwards then wind it on to the other reel. The 1494 reel is heavier than the Pro Crest reel. I like the Pro Crest reel just for looks and it was the original matching reel for the rod. Besides they are dirt cheap on ebay, ususally $10.00 or less plus shipping. Waynebh
corlay		#10	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 121 (07/28/08 11:36:51) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	waynebh wrote: The 1494 reel is heavier than the Pro Crest reel. I use a (new) 1494 with my FR-2000, 7.5', 5wt.; and it balances just forward of mid-cork... (w/ regular Dacron backing...) FYI... Also, to corroborate majicwrench's assesment: I think that you'll find the FR-2000 appreciably softer than any comparable length/wt. Fenwick... -- CoreyL
waynebh		#11	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 105 (07/29/08 11:49:55) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Hi All; Well I guess the secret is out! ebay item #260264417110 sold for $63.20! It's a 7' 5wt so perhaps the size justified the price but I have a feeling the Pro Crest bargains are gone from ebay!!! Waynebh
freestoner.clarksclassicfl...		#12	[-]
Guide Posts: 43 (08/02/08 10:30:12) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I have a 7 1/2' FR2000- keep thinking that with lighter hardware like single foot guides and a lighter gauge tip-top, it would be a nice 4 weight. Very full flexing rod- as a 5/6 weight, a little on the soft side for my taste.
Duff		#13	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 217 (08/19/08 15:40:44) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	One of my summer finds was a Cortland 7 1/2' 5/6 FR-2000. I find it really nice with a WF4 - seems too soft for a 5 and certainly for a 6. (There's really lousy cork on my example.) I put another summer find on it - a Cabelas Cahill .5 (Hardy Marquis knock off) that came with a newish SA Ultra 4 WF4 and it made a really nice combo - I have about $30 in the whole outfit. The balance is nice and the reel sounds very Hardy-like. It kind of makes you wonder about the sanity of a Winston Retro with an Abel TR-1. I swear, with your eyes closed ...

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