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eagles.clarksclassicfl... |
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I just aquired the above fly reel . It would appear based on the drag it is a right handed retrieve reel . If I use it for a left handed retrieve I must reel
in towards me , clock wise or loose the ability to have the drag operational . Is their a way to reverse these multipliers , to make the drag operate for a
left handed retrieve ? I am not sujre if turning the gears upside down woud do it or not ? Any ideas , and how many people reel in towards you ? I never have
but could get used to it if needed . Thank you .William
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William,
Welcome to the Fiberglass Flyrodders! The Intrepid is a nice, light, fast ratio multiplier. You made a good buy, if it is in good shape. You can reverse the operation of the drag quite simply. Pull the spool off the reel. There are two, triangular pawls. One will be pushed to the side and the other will be engaged to the center gear (the pawl near the reel foot). Flip the two pawls so that the engaged pawl is now pushed to the side and the opposite pawl is engaged. Put the spool and handle back in and the drag should engage in the opposite direction. Tom |
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Wow thanks that was easy . The reel is mint in the orriginal box with a spare spool still in the plastic . Can you tell me how old it might be and what it might be worth (just to know as I will fish it ) Also what is the ratio of retrieve ? I alsoi have a mint Shakespear SpEedex I use but I noticed the gears in the intrepid are alumiuum where the Speedex seem to be Nylon. Do you think this reel is to much for an eight foot bamboo weugfht 4 line . If so it goes on my nine foot weight 7 . William |
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William,
Your reel is probably 70s vintage. I'm not sure exactly how many years they were on the market (whrlpool, any idea?). My version is labeled Cortland 444, but it is basically the same reel. Mine is a 2.7:1 gear ratio. Depending on the size of your Intrepid, it could work just fine on an 8 foot cane rod. Mine weighs 5.6 oz without a line. The Speedex is a heavier reel - put it on the long rod. Even though your reel was never used, you should replace the grease. Most older reel grease has hardened with time. Check out the Cleaning Reels thread at the top of this forum. Bulldog's process is right on the money. New grease will keep that reel singing for years. Do the same with the Shakespeare Speedex. Value? These reels don't get much love from the market, probably because the paint tends to chip and flake (mine's a mess). The reel itself will keep on ticking until the pawls wear out (then swap the unused pawl for the worn one). Maybe $60 for the reel and spool in the condition you describe? I'm not really sure because I've seen one in mint condition before. Maybe one of the BFR experts here can make a better guess. Tom |
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Will do , reel is very smooth and quiet
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Did any one ever make a tiny multiplier for a weight 3 or 4 ( that is not over the top expensive ) ? Seems more needed in a smaller reel and the design is
realy very simple to do . I would think this would be a great answer to the modern , but ugly large arbor reels. (to me anyway ) Add a nice agate line gaurd
and WOW a nice classic reel .
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I wouldn't call them "tiny," but the smaller "lightweight" gearfly or Speedex fit the 3 or 4 weight fast retrieve idea perfectly.
There's a farily small Hardy multipler as well. I use my Speedex reels with WF 5, so they'd do well with DT 4 also. If you use "advance
search" with, maybe multiplier and large arbor in your search terms, you'll find some multiplier discussions where, it so happened, Jgstar and I hit
the same point about their use in so far as retrieve rate is important. I have a large size Gearfly--the finish isn't very durable and the foil labels fade
and fall off--with two spools. I rehabbed the finish and made a large arbor spool from one of them by fabricating spokes through the middle row of vents. I
still have a WF7 and backing on it, but it would be suitable for a DT 5 weight. These aren't especially valuable reels so you can fool around with them as
you like. If I had one as new--well, I do in the form of a Gladding--I would certainly use it, but take care of it. I find theyare best with only extremely
light application of machine oil--regularly--as opposed to grease. The pawls are more or less self lubricating and last way longer than you might think,
enough so that I gave away my stash of extras out of confidence in the ones in the reels. If you like the foil labels, I'd check that they are still
securely afixed. If not, pick it off there carefully and then glue it on again with a modern contact cement. If they are, flow a coat or two of clear nail
polish over it, which will help keep it stuck on and prevent fading. Somewhere back in these discussions another multiplier fan put together the manufacturing
history past what I knew, but I'm remembering late '60s through 7Os as prime time.
Large capacity on the largest gearfly; about the same line and backing before the "large arbor" modification
Size range with smallest version
My favorite, the Speedex. There is also the evolutionary 1500 series narrow spool multiplier that Ron has and some of us would like to have
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I have a narrow spool speedex being painted as we speak . I got that one in need of the paint job . Thanks now I know what that is . Might keep that for the
lighter lines . What was the use supposed to be on the narrow spool model ? I noticed it has that friction type drag lever my larger spool speedex does not
have . Caught lots of large trout on the wiede spool this year and it was great . It was my first time with a multiplier and after so many years with a single
action I prefer them now .
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Oh, I think that's great to have a narrow spool Speedex, which equates in line capacity to the 1980s 1525. Ron will know the comparable conventional wind
style from that period of JW Young production. http://fiberglassflyrodders.yuku.com/sreply/14043/t/Speedex-.html I forgot to put
in the gear ratios and don't have the paperwork handy, but it's easy enough to watch the notch on the spool inner rim pass by and count the spool's
rotation versus one turn of the crank. I seem to remember the Speedex as 1.8 to 1 and the Gear fly in the same neighborhood. I'd consider the narrowspool
Speedex on the small/light size for a 9' bamboo or 'glass rod and wouldn't hestitate to put a DT 4 on one. I don't like small diameter reels in
general, anything less than 3." By sizing norms of the bamboo and 'glass era, 3 to 3 1/2" reels represent the size range, and beyond that,
capacity was modified according to the width of the spool (as in the 1/2 size Pfluegers). Narow spool reels spool line very evenly, another advantage over
some of the too-wide large arbor reels. As shown above, that Speedex has a WF 5 on it, and you can see the level of backing, about 100 yards as I recall
without going down to find it and look at the little label I stick on my reels someplace. So it would be great with a DT 4 and somewhat less backing. Like its
similarly sized descendant, the 1525 or its multiplier variant, I think of it as a reel for 5 and 6 weight lines, so to me it would be just as fit, especially
with fiberglass, for a DT4, which I have about talked myself into loading my other one up with.
One other little point if your Speedex has the nylon gear. Somewhere in "reel papers" the paperwork is posted, advising no grease or heavy oil on these (post # 20 in the reel papers thread . http://fiberglassflyrodders.yuku.com/sreply/11086/t/Reel-papers.html I'd guess that's because the material is "self-lubricating," yet easily chewed up if excess lube gets gummy or holds grit. Also, I'm guessing that too much lube will let the gear teeth slip and get chewed in the process. You can just about make that happen by force-cranking the handle, stopping abruptly, and starting to crank again in the opposite direction. I would pick my prefered winding direction and after that, never use the handle to wind the opposite way, which you would never do in fishing, but might do just fooling around with that nifty little machine. In that way, the gears will wear in to consistent bearing surfaces, one side of the tooth according to handle driven--winding--force, and the other side according to force originating from the spool rotation when line is stripped. It probably makes no difference but has worked for me, and I know folks get that nylon gear stripped. I put only a drop of machine oil on the spindle and have very good service from mine, and on some pretty big hard running fish, using it almost daily in late spring the last two years. The click drag is very stout. http://fiberglassflyrodders.yuku.com/topic/5294?page=1
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THANKS, great info , the narrow one goes on the bamboo 8 footer, line 4 . I was hopig for one for that anyway and bought the last Speedex basicaly for the parts until I saw it was a different model, narrow spool and a sort of drag lever so it is being refurbished (painted ) and cleaned up . Great news it is exaclty what I wanted . |
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eagles.clarksclassicfl... |
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I have a small collection of Herters fly reels , the Rolls in trout and salmon size , the 709 etc Does anyone know if Hereters ever put their name on a
Multiplier ?
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eagles.clarksclassic asked: Did any one ever make a tiny multiplier for a weight 3 or 4?
I have Hardy Featherweight Multiplier and couple of Marquis 4 Multipliers which are meant for these line sizes. I also use a Battenkill Multipliers from the 90's era that are marked 3/4. Barry |
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Thanks , I will have to watch for one of those for sale . Exept Hardy reels are usualy way overpriced because of collectors . |
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Grassnglass, is this the Battenkill multiplier you are talking about? IMHO it is one of the better multipliers Orvis has sold.
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Catch and Release fishing is a lot like golf. You don't have to eat the ball to have a good time. |
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whrlpool |
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Glad you guys kicked in with the Hardy and Orvis multipliers. I couldn't remember the particulars and didn't search them. A few years back I bid on one
of the Battenkills, but gave it up at a low bid, deciding not get started on them or I'd "need" the whole series. Thank goodness cofisher has
that base covered.
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This particular Battenkill multiplier has turned out to be one of my favorite reels. It's a tad bit smaller in diameter than a normal Battenkill 5/6 and a
disc drag, but it's a very well made reel and functions nicely with glass.
Catch and Release fishing is a lot like golf. You don't have to eat the ball to have a good time. |
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bulldog1935 |
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Howard, that is bound to be the reel Barry is talking about - I believe he has ever size of those and is their biggest fan.
the rods are never obsolete - the marketing is.
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Thanks Ron, I thought so. I love this reel. It's actually a very nice trout size reel for a multiplier and balances well with glass.
Catch and Release fishing is a lot like golf. You don't have to eat the ball to have a good time. |
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any idea where to buy the small one ?
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I bought mine a few months ago on eBay. It's the first one I remember seeing for sale, so I grabbed it to add to my collection. That's the only
suggestion I have. I don't think they are easy to find. You might also post a wanted ad here and on Clark's. I don't think you would be
disappointed.
Catch and Release fishing is a lot like golf. You don't have to eat the ball to have a good time. |
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How do I post on the wanted section . One thing about this site is when you are viewing posts like this I see no way to navigate to other sections ? Like a
prompt area to click on to view other posts or the classified etc ? Anyway if anyone has a Batenkill 3/4 multiplier for sale please let me know . willsanders@earthlink.net
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