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Raybow |
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A few weeks ago I had a friend overhaul and remove the bail on an Alcedo I have. I reluctantly didn't know what to expect. But after some practice and
understanding of how it works I am very pleased. I can now cast and retrieve faster than I could with a bail and do it without ever looking at the reel. The
most positive part is without the bail I have illiminated the line tangle at the real because there is no bail to get a half wind that causes most line
tangles. Thats my experiance. Today if I bought the most expinsive spin reel availiable the first thing I would do is remove the bail before I'd put any
line on it. Have any of yall done the same thing and with the same results?
Ray.................... |
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TimJ |
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Having looked at them but never fished with one I don't think it would work for me. Maybe it would work on a dedicated jig or spinner rod but for float
fishing I don't think the tension would keep the line on the roller. I know at times when I tighten up the line before setting the hook it is on the
bail.
I might have to try it on a reel dedicated to casting jigs a long ways for walleyes. Did your friend modify it in any way or just remove the bail? Tim |
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Raybow |
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Just removed the bail. ...........Ray........
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mdwwhw |
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I've seen it done by an expert and its certainly impressive. However, as one who spends a significant portion of time fishing getting untangled or gear
untangled I don't feel the need to learn a new way to do it.
"Everything's better when wet...."
Steve Miller Band |
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gaddis |
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For surf fishing here in the northeast, bail-less spinning reels are the standard. I've been bail-less for probably 25 years. It's the only way to go.
The bails on even the best reels will trip in the middle of a cast every now and then. When that happens, an expensive surf plug is usually lost. Plus a broken
bail spring in the middle of a fishing trip means the end of the trip, unless you have a spare reel. Once you get used to fishing without a bail, it is much
more efficient than using a bail. Other benefits include the ability to feather your line with your finger during a cast when there is a cross wind and thereby
minimizing the slack developed at the end of the cast. This allows you to instantly pickup your line with your finger the moment your lure hits the water.
Its amazing how many fishermen still have a fear of going bail-less. The expensive Van Staal and Zee Bass spinning reels are made without bails, having a roller pickup as an inherent part of the design. Both manufacturers were forced to produce bailed versions of their reels because some fisherman just refuse to be convinced. |
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flyflingerandy1 |
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How does one work without a bail? I am confused.
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gaddis |
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There is a line pickup in place of the bail. It is a little protrusion with a roller on it. You put the line in the roller with the index finger of the hand
that's holding the rod. The movement becomes simple and automatic after a little practice. Here's an example of what they look like.
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flyflingerandy1 |
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Thanks, I think I understand.
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flyfishing4goldentrout |
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gaddis I agree with you 1000% Ive used nothing either surf fishing or offshore in California and Mexico but some monster PUM reels (Pickup Manual) the Mitchell
406, 396, 498 are pretty much my favorites, although I have the Penn 8500 and 9500 PUMs as well. The bigger guys are loaded with 50# power pro on really big
Fenwick Tuna sticks made just for spinning rods. Alas none is now available but Ive been a saltwater lover of big spinning rigs and PUMS for over 4 decades.
Richard |
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cross creek one |
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Bails do help a bit with 1-4lb lines and ultralight lures, which tend to jump off the roller occasionally. Closing the bail manually should accomplish the same
thing as mounting the line manually on a bail-less set up (for reducing line twist). I always understood the main reason saltwater reels came with manual
pickups was that bails and bail springs were a bit fragile and big fish/heavy water frequently did them in.
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gaddis |
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The bails and bail springs are not fragile and it is neither the fish nor the water that is the problem. It's the fact that the bails are subject to
unexpected tripping in the middle of a cast, where the sudden stopping of the lure is going to surely snap the line resulting in the loss of the plug. At the
current price of $15-$20 for a surf plug, no one is going let that happen too many times before they switch to a manual pickup reel. Also, bail springs
eventually fail sooner or later as their lifetime in not unlimited. This always happens in the middle of a fishing trip. When it does, that reel is out of
commission until you get home. Using a manual pickup solves both of these problems, not to mention some other side benefits.
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thousandstar.clarksclassicfl... |
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How do you remove the bail?
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gaddis |
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I've never bothered trying to modify a bailed reel unless the reel manufacturer sells a conversion kit. Some people just saw off the bail wire and leave a
little stub, which they file smooth. I personally wouldn't go that route. The more popular surf reels are either made with a manual pickup or can be
converted to one with a kit.
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flyfishing4goldentrout |
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Ive fished the big manaul bail reels for over 40 years both offshore and surf. Gaddis is right on, your rod hand gets to just naturally pickup the line with
the index finger, it becomes a reflex action, when your freelining live bait that same index finger keeps the slack line on the bail roller. I always set my
self up with the spool fully extended and the bail roller at 12 oclock when I finish my cast.
Mitchell Garcia had kits for several of their spinning reels, so they could come from the factory as PUMs or you could keep a kit in your tackle box as insurance. I personnally prefered just getting a new reel and turning it into a PUM right off the bat. Today my smallest reel is a Mitchell Garcia 406 HS with PUM, Its kept ready to go with 20# Power Pro and makes a great surf and shoreline rod/reel combo. Next up I have a European Mitchell Garcia 396 factory PUM reel. This model has a rotating head specifically designed for the heavier PUM and counterweighted (balanced for it). the Ball bearing roller head is SS and is the extended SS PUM arm, which is fixed to the rotationg head with some deep large screws. Ive used mine offshore with 30# Power Pro Alot. Next up is my favorite the European Mitchell Garcia 498 Pro, its a massively built PUM reel from the git go for European distribution only. Wasn't a cheap reel either. I keep mine spooled with 50# power pro for the big toothy cirtters down in Mexican waters. I do have a pair of Penn reels as well , the 8500SS and the 9500SS however a cavet here, the reels where made for bails, as such the factory PUM kits work, but they have one big fault IMHO, you take an all metal reel, and you attach a steel pum roller with a plastic arm. As such I limit my use of these two reels to far lesser tasks like Surf or Shorline fishing, line sizes not exceeding 30#. Its too bad too, the big 9500SS should have been just as good as the old 498. As another comment above, the little reels I use for 4# test and under have their bails, just never ran into anythng as small as the old Mitchell 408 or the old Diawa first model BG that I liked as much so those old reels have been going strong for me for nearly 40 years as well. Richard |
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ratfacedmcdougal |
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The Old Man always fished bailless, probably out of long long habit. The first spinning reel I had was a hand-me-down from him. It was a post WWII FIX reel
made in France I think. Between T.O.M and me it saw over 40 years of action. I've always found it faster and easier than with a bail. I don't know if
T.O.M. ever used anything else. The only problem is in a bumpy boat ride the line can hop off the hook thing and free spool line like crazy.
RFMcD |
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