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bassackwards |
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A lot of the classic reels don't have counterweights. I haven't noticed any problems caused by this. When and why did counterweights become the
standard?
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whrlpool |
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A refinement of the graphite era from the '80's onward. Reels got lighter, frames got lighter(so the vibration of an imbalanced spool would be more
noticeable) , spools gained palming rims (which in effect increase the diameter in terms of vibration during rotation), rods got lighter and so on. Also, fly
tackle began to be used for more and more species, with potential for of larger, longer, faster running fish than flippety-flop trout. So a counterweight adds
a bit of smoothness when a fish takes line fast. Plus for minimal manufacturing expense, even when it was a solution in search of a problem, it made a good
marketing touch in the yuppie era when there were lots of MMBs (more money than brains) getting into fly fishing. You are right on, though. I never miss a
counterweight on any of my older reels. The other day I caught a brute of a brown trout in heavy current, so the runs spun line off the reel fast. I was using
an old Martin 70--love the disc drag and never missed the counterweight. I never miss 'em on reels that don't have them either.
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jgestar |
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I think the trend started in saltwater fly fishing and expanded from there. The first mention I saw for counterweights was in Fly Fishing in Salt Water written by Lefty Kreh in the 70s. The only time I notice an "unbalanced" spool is when I am
stripping the backing or changing a fly line. If I had fish routinely taking me deep into the line backing, I might feel they were a necessity.
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DoctorFly.clarksclassicfl... |
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Here's a Reuben Heaton 38 fly reel from the early 1930s, complete with counterweight.
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keebranch |
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Doctorfly,
I've got an early Plfueger Progress 1774 with counterweight. Would that one be 1940's vintage? Les |
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whrlpool |
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Thanks for showing the Heaton, tracing back the origins of the concept. "Shallow drum" (large arbor) goes back like that also. You know, a Pflueger
will shake pretty good when stripped furiously or a fish rips line. Then came the palming rim versions fitted with counterweights, again the widespread use
about corresponding with the time that palming rims became the norm. It's easy enough to put a counterweight on a Pflueger or any reel, but I've never
bothered and like the classic simplicity of the spool face as it is on the conventional spool reels. Here's a counterweight on a early '60s knock-off
of a Lawerence Sunbeam, quite possibly the worst fly reel ever made, but by golly, it had a counterweight ( the reel would shake apart just rattling around in
a tackle box, so I don't think the counterweight preserved it's structural integrity too well )
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evanslmtd |
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Hey Guys
Below is a photo of an old Martin MG 7/5 that I added a counterweight (epoxied 1/4-20 nyloc nut to the outside edge of the spool) back in the 60's. At that time I was doing a lot of Permit and Bonefishing with the reel and believe me, the counterweight really helped. The amazing thing to me is, that after all these years and all the fish that this little reel brought to hand, the Nut has not come off! Martin MG 7/5 with homemade counterweight
Time is precious. Waste it wisely!
Barry |
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bassackwards |
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Barry, I'm amazed that you used that reel for bonefish and permit. Did you make any other modifications to strengthen the drag?
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evanslmtd |
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bass
No mods necessary, the drag held up fine. In fact a few months ago I got into some good Striper's using that old reel on a GC 2536 and the old girl proved to be as smooth as ever.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely!
Barry |
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bob4st |
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...Pfluegers are most definitely the work horse of reels... I have 5 or 6, each of which have taken plenty of big fish over plenty of years...AND if you have
them "pimped out" with some One P-Foot parts, they will be around well beyond our lifetime... I use them almost exclusively on glass and bamboo
year-round for small brookies to mighty steelhead... Bob
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whrlpool |
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Nice on the MG 7/5. Bassackards, that model has the disc-drag (cone shaped adjuster on the backplate), a timeless, proven design on many heavy duty Martins--70
and 72 most notably. It will stand up to big fish and blistering runs that might float the pawl on the click-drag models, which might be what you were thinking
of. Nice to see a testament to its durability.
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mvinsel |
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In the very rare few times when I had a good fish take a long run well into the backing on a reel with no counterweight (it was a Ross RR2), I really
enjoyed the throbbing vibration of the spinning reel.
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Loudog99 |
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Barry, I did the exact same thing to my LL Bean Streamlight. I used a crown hex nut and it actually looks cool too- I'll post pics tonight. I actually
think that counterweights are a huge help with fast running fish- carp being the only ones I ever tangle with. I use other reels for stripers and they all have
counterweights.
Lou |
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evanslmtd |
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Lou
In most cases I don't worry about having a counter weight on a reel. However, the vintage reels that I use for Striper's and the ones that I use down on the coast all have counter-weights on them. I can tell you from personal experience that when a large Striper or Kingfish goes zooming off into the wild blue yonder, you get a lot more than a throbbing vibration. (LOL) Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you. |
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