Although I usually don't ask (wondering if it might be some etiquette faux paux), I freely offer info when someone asks me.
Curious as to your thoughts?
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docbluedevil |
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So, when you meet an unacquainted angler in the parking lot while getting into your waders or walking on the road while hopping pools or when someone in the
next pool has just landed a nice fish on an otherwise slow day, do you ask what flies are working for them?
Although I usually don't ask (wondering if it might be some etiquette faux paux), I freely offer info when someone asks me. Curious as to your thoughts? |
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whrlpool |
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I offer information if asked and if I have been successful, but people just do the opposite anyway. I pay little attention to what others tell me, as it is
usually just diversionary hooey or a good stretcher, but nothing helpful as to fishing, and I know how to fish anyway. So in general I don't chatter too
much unless I've observed a person fishing and noted that he knows what he is doing. If it's something a little new or different to me, I don't
need to be told much anyhow; I can figure it out through observation. If someone really wants to learn and is seeking advice in earnest, then I'll just
about stop fishing to show and help them and take a lot of pleasure when they start catching fish. Good mentors are very rare, but good proteges are even
rarer. So in general when people ask me "How's the fishing at such and such, or what should I use at such and such," I just say, listen, how do I
know. I was there yesterday but I'm not there now. If you want to know where the fishing is good and what to use, you have to do exactly what I do: Be
there often and experiment often. You have to fish. In other words, if somebody just wants to catch but doesn't want to fish or know how, which is easy to
discern, I don't chatter with them too long.
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Back in my callow spinfishing youth I was throwing a small Super Dooper (a favorite) in a downtown stream that ran into Lake Superior about fifty yards
downstream. All of a sudden a huge lake run brown took the lure and after a stong fight on my Shakepeare rod, fiberglass, I might add, I landed the fish. While
I was reviving the fish, another fisherman shouted up to me, "Are you using a Mepps Spinner?". Without any pang of consciense, I lied,
"Yes". He tied on a Mepps and caught the twin of my trout on his first cast.
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wacokid54 |
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I am not shy about asking competent looking fly fishers what has been working; especially on new water. I try to be generous with info when I am asked the
same question. "Doing any good?" is a common ice breaker. I helped a Texican catch his first trout one day, and the look on his face continues to
remind me that we fishermen need to stick together.
wacokid54 |
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corlay |
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I freely offer information about my flies, rigging, and techniques to others if they inquire.
But usually after I reply "wet flies", and they see my vintage fiberglass rod and reel; they move on pretty quick. Then, I usually get a double-take from them at a distance, while they incessantly castandcastandcast their dries to a pool with no rising fish; and I start pulling Trout out of the runs upstream from them... But in all seriousness, I do tend to approach folks in the parking areas, moreso than on the stream. I've had some great conversations, and learned a lot too, form these encounters, especially from those who are more experienced than me, and are willing to share - locations and access usually more than tackle and technique. These are usually the situations where an "old timer" sees my tackle, and lights up: "Wet flies? Boy, I sure have caught a lot of fish in this stream on wet flies. You just don't see many younger folks fishing them, these days..."
"From my observations I think that most of us spend too much time worrying about our tackle and too little time
learning the intimate characteristics of the fish and streams we fish most."
- Ray Bergman
Trout, New York: Knopf 1938 |
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whrlpool |
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Pmag, I know full well that was not a Super dooper which you told the guy you were not using. It is good with spinfishing, which I hardly ever do any more, to
say Mepps when asked. That was an excellent answer. In Maine they always say Mooseluk wobbler, and many fish are caught in "the brook you cross on the
Pond Road." Anyway, I figure you were using a Castmaster. Great story, which illustrates an important point. Most people who ask what you are using--in
fly fishing anyhow--are only marginally capable of catching fish with that particular fly. It is the wrong question to begin with, an early indicator to me
that I will be wasting my time trying to give helpful advice, which I will gladly do if asked good questions. If someone asks about depth, type of current, and
presentation that's been successful on a given river, that indicates to me they understand fishing a bit. I'm not saying which boulder had the big fish
behind it, but I will gladly say that the boulder strewn runs are holding fish if you can get a fly down quickly to them in the pocket behind. We might get to
the successful flies eventually, which is no use knowing without the more important information. And before the fly, if they have a ten-foot leader and I
suggest something a little shorter and stouter, and later they don't change the leader but instead bite some split shot on to a 5x tippet, there's
still no use me bothering to suggest flies. If they have a bobber (strike indicator) on their line, I would just say hello, and then steer clear. I would
watch, though. If they caught fish steady (very unlikely on most of the water I fish), I might check in my vest for something fluffy to use. Great story, which
got me thinking all this because your catch had already shown the guy where fish might be holding--far more important than the particular spinning lure.
In case you can't tell, I know full I well I can get a little cranky astream. I consider fly-fishing a solitary, contemplative pursuit, and I concentrate intensely, so I don't like to be pestered astream (as in calls from across the river, "what fly are you using," and such). I don't pester others, either, and try to respect their space. In this way, you wind up fishing or after-fishing chatting only with like-minded individuals, who often have something to share or something to learn, usually both. That is good. In the more intrusive conversations with people who won't get it anyway, I get taciturn pretty quick. I never lie, though, for people often have, at least, the right general attitude with open-ended questions. Two that are usually in this spirit but don't work very well are, "How's the fishing." I can always answer truthfully "good," although the interlocuter/interloper may really mean how's the catching. Similarly, "Any luck?" is usually intended as a friendly opener for which I have no reason to be indirect. The answer is always the same: "No," since whether I've caught fish or not that day and place, "luck" has very little to do with it.
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wb4tjh |
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Usually, I will wave and try to ascertain the demeanor of the other flyfisherman, either by him returning the wave, speaking, or ignoring me. If he seems
friendly, I might ask him if he's doing any good, and play it by ear from there. When I'm passing another fisherman in the stream, I will do my best
not to disturb him or stir up the water and try to pass him as close to shore, or on the shore if I can. I will make sure he knows I'm trying my best not
to disturb the water or spook fish as I pass him. Many times, this kind of common courtesy will lead to a nice bankside chat later on the in the day with the
gentleman. I have had many a pleasant conversation over the years as a result of showing courtesy on the stream. You can pick up some good tips this way. Most
flyfishermen I meet love to chat after fishing is done, or while taking a break. When you meet Mr. Nasty, tho, you just do your best not to rile him and give
him plenty of room. But the vast majority of flyfishermen I have met astream over the years have been very amiable. I do my best to stay far away from
spinfishers and bait chunkers. I find many of them to be totally lacking in even basic stream courtesy. I have had these dung brained clod hoppers even wade by
in front of me while I was casting. Of course my finest hour was once on the Norfork River in Arkansas, when one of these idiot/experts told me that "The
trout in this river don't bite flies", and then had them watch me as I released big fish after big fish right in front of them. Seeing their jaws drop
in disbelief was a golden moment. After I had caught a half dozen fish, from 3 to about 5 pounds in about 30 or 40 minutes, I casually reeled in and left.
I'll bet those guys are still talking about that.
Bill Anderson, Sarsota, Fl. "Bamboo is the Benchmark in flyrods". |
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Cameron |
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I echo a lot of thoughts here about saying a polite hello to gauge someone's response and don't mind parking lot or on stream conversations about what
flies are working or not. I've also had the curious looks at my vintage gear...but there are usually more questions and interest after they see that it
catches fish just like their space age fly rod paired with the super drag trout reel.
f someone is new to a stretch of water and after looking through their fly box they just don't have what they need I'll usually put a few flies in their hands with some ideas on how to use them. Always felt it gives me some sort of good fishing karma or something. The longer I do this I've also found I enjoy the act of "guiding" a friend or stranger in catching a few fish as well. Neat to spot a fish, set up their flies, and see how the fish reacts to their casting, and wonderful when a fish takes and is brought to net. |
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frogmorton |
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I'll take all the help I can get so if I see someone who knows what they're doing I'll venture a word or two to get a conversation started. If they would rather be left alone I respect that, alot of anglers (including me) enjoy their solitude. A guy with a long gray ponytail and an old bamboo rod showed me how to get more action on a streamer with the rod tip simply because I said hello. Turns out he's retired military, fishes almost every day and he likes sharing what he knows. Fly fishing is more than just fishing, there are alot of easier ways to catch fish. Alot good angler's enjoy helping the rest of us along. |
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cofisher |
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I generally don't fish places where I'm apt to run across anyone. If I do I always say hi or wave. If the response is positive it's all good. I
enjoy talking to other folks, especially some of our elder statesman. I certainly don't mind giving someone information that will help them catch fish
because I remember when I was new and stupid. If the person seems like he has an attitude, I don't mind misleading them a little bit. Like power bait on a
fly rod keeps people away.
You must lose a fly to catch a trout. ~George Herbert
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Arctic Grayling |
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Hey Cofisher!!!!
Try fishing in bear country!!! You're always happy to see someone else on the stream, especially if you can out run them!!!! |
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Laramie Spinner |
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I'm just a wretched human being. I normally avoid others when fishing, and offstream I feel no obligation to provide accurate information. I will
intentionally mislead those who become overly inquisitive. I've become bitter and fiercely protective after fifty years of Colorado fishing. Those few
locations that aren't yet listed in the guidebooks are precious to me. I'm now well aware of the consequences of revealing ANY specifics. Too many
places I once loved have been ruined as the result of well-meaning individuals sharing information.
And, I never seek instructive input from others. I know how to catch fish, thanks. Parking area comraderie leaves me cold. Not meaning to offend, just being truthful. |
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mdwwhw |
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An interesting thread, more so since most of us Texicans don't often pursue trout. (Wacokid, thanks for your kindness on behalf of the unknown Texican)
I'm usually the only fly fisherman around and when I meet another on the water its an occassion for conversation and comparisons.
I even talk to the bait fisherman, but I think they regard me as a curiosity to be tolerated due to my age.
"Everything's better when wet...."
Steve Miller Band |
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cofisher |
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Arctic Grayling, when I decide it's time to fish in bear country I'll be sure to bring along a partner who is fatter, slower and older than me.
You must lose a fly to catch a trout. ~George Herbert
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Bamboozle |
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I usually never bother folks I see fishing unless they initiate the conversation...
...but don't believe anything I say FUBO |
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burkholder |
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As a beginner in several categories (new to trout/rivers/fly fishing) I have found it very helpful to receive information from someone while on the river (and
here!). I have also learned well that what goes around comes around and so I try to share info with people who look like they are respectful of my space and of
the river. I have precious little time to devote to this favorite pass-time and when I go it is Sacred. I hate to show up to a favorite spot to find it defiled
with beer cans, mono balls and empty worm containers. Pick up your !#%$. Bait fisherman don't bother me, but people who don't have any respect for
things are not to be treated kindly. These people I will intentionally mislead. Fly fishermen or not. Treat it like the privilege it is.
Long story short: If nobody shared infomation where would everybody be? If we're not careful then where will we be? Have a good time, but be respectful of people and places. What's not very sacred to you may be VERY sacred to somebody else. R-E-S-P-E-C-T |
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tonemike |
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i always greet fellow fishermen, but most conversations don't last very long. the exception being when some guys have seen me doing pretty good and they
ask. and if the guy doesn't have any of "the right" flies in his box, i'll gladly give him a few. i've been pretty lucky throughout my
life to have had some good mentors who've shared a lot about fishing and tying. i enjoy passing it on. on the other hand, i've never drawn a detailed
map or sent folks to my favorite spots, so maybe i'm not that nice after all.
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bikerfish |
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so far I've been lucky, in the past 20 years or so of fly fishing around the northwestern pa area, most folks I meet along the streams are laid back and
friendly, exchanging info on what works and so forth. this holds true for central pa streams also, met some great characters along penns creek. I must say
though, I usually fish the special regulation areas, which usually attract like-minded people. the only exemption are the lake erie steelhead streams,
horrible crowds of headhunters, quit fishing there years ago, just not my game.
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