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swalker9513.ultralightflyfi... |
Hot Sauce or Reel Butter |
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It seems that Bulldog is pretty bullish about only using Hot Sauce on your reel. I'm curious if anyone has had any success/failure with Reel Butter?
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keebranch |
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Sean,
What is reel butter? All I am familiar with is the hot sauce family- oil & lub. Les |
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swalker9513.ultralightflyfi... |
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Same sort of stuff as Hot Sauce made by Ardent
http://www.ardentoutdoors.com/products/viewProduct2.asp?prodId=35 |
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TXTrout |
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I personally use the Reel Butter, but I don't think it will matter. Somewhere I saw a study from I think Texas A&M on reel butter, and it held up
better than Hot Sauce on not breaking down. I don't remember the specs of the test any more.
Robert.
"Some paths are best not taken alone" John W. Barfield |
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Spencer DT |
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There is a post by a guy called reeldoc on this forum I found, they run numerous tests on reel oils. Apparently if these tests are valid the hot sauce
didn't rate that good relative to some others. There is a link to the tests if you follow the following link..
http://bbcboards.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=243404 |
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scud dog |
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Like TX, I thought that Reel Butter and Hot Sauce would likely be the same stuff, just different colors. I was running low on my Hot Sauce grease and ran into
a shop with Reel Butter on hand. I bought the grease and oil. Figured it didn't matter. I've been using Reel Butter for a few years now. All I know is
it looks a fair bit cleaner at year's end than the Hot Sauce ever did. That's all the research I need...
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04/30/09 21:37:17.
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Cornmuse |
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I've been using Garcia silicone reel grease and oil since the 1970's. Maybe I don't have any reels where it matters, but I have a couple Pflueger
Medalists that I bought new back then and they're still in use today with nothing more than an annual cleaning and relube. FWIW, I just can't get
behind a "magic" chemical that sells for big $$. I see this all the time in the hobbyist electronic industry where certain potions allow "clean
electron flow" and sell for as much as French perfume. The physics doesn't add up.
Now for a baitcasting reel - especially a surf caster - where you're tossing a 1 ounce plus swim bait 50 yards, 75 yards - or more - and the reel drum goes from 0 to 10,000+ RPM in a split second, there is quite likely a strong argument for sophisticated lubricants. I don't know about you guys, but I've never seen my fly reel turning at anything like those speeds. "Live each season as it passes; breathe the air, drink the
drink, taste the fruit,
- Henry David Thoreau
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jkurtz7 |
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I've never bothered to run out and buy special lubricants marketed for reels. I just use the stuff I have on hand for my pistols, TW25B. This stuff is a
synthetic light weapons grade grease that is used by the military for electric cannons on fighter aircraft. If it works for that, then my reels are good to go.
TW25B is made by Mil-Comm and they also have a lube they market for reels, no doubt it's the same PTFE based synthetic they market for guns. J. |
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whrlpool |
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You can't argue with success as far as Hot Sauce goes, but Reel Butter is probably just as good. Looking at the tests briefly, they are mostly oriented to
baitcasting reels, which are harder to get at for regular lubing, have more elaborate gears and moving parts, and are cranked steadily in fishing as well as
spun on casting. The pro repair people take an interest in this stuff because they know full well that most people will rarely if ever lube the reel, let alone
clean it. Fly reels are far simpler, easy to lube lightly and regularly after wiping out any debris. Used to be we used Vaseline and a machine oil like
Three-in-one. I have a Medalist treated that way with 45 years on it, heavily fished for two decades, and no visible wear. Come to think of it, I have a
Pflueger baitcasting Rocket that just got a drop of oil now and then. With a fly reel, keep a bottle of machine oil handy and just put a tiny drop on the
spindle once in a while. It will flow where it needs to be. You can dab a little grease on the click gear. Wipe off excess so you don't get a sludge-grit
mix around there. As with guns, too much is worse than too little. To keep things really simple, a single aerosal is handy for the field bag. The products that
flow/penetrate where they need to be, then gel, are great. You know, some of the modern penetrants are so good that excess gets where it doesn't need to
be, allowing screws to loosen on guns for instance. I suppose the same could happen on reel feet or pillar screws, so I don't use the extremely light
viscosity penetrating lubes on reels, but worst could happen I'd have to tighten a screw up.
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Brian Shaffer |
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Bass Pro Shops sells the reel cleaning kit.. not bad for $20... still a better buy at $10 like I got mine from the outlet store.
You get a cleaner, a degreaser, a lube.. then some cleaning pads and a toothbrush and little screwdriver. Perfect gift for your fishing buddy.. great idea for the car. Brian Here is the link : http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10151_-1_10001_96599_100001007_100000000_100001000?cmCat=CROSSSELL_PRODUCT
" Just once, I wish a trout would wink at me. "
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flyfishing4goldentrout |
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I have to agree with Cornmuse, Ive been using Garcia Silicon grease and oil sense the early 1960s. At one point I was servicing alot of Spinning and Mitchell
conventional Saltwater Reels for the Offshore bunch. Stuff is good, although getting harder to find these days. I put away a case of each but my supply is
dwindling to just a few bottles of each these days so most likely if I cant find it again will have to experiment with and open mind the alternatives.
I had a friend back in the very early 80s his two sons were in our high adventure boy scout troop. On a couple of our golden trout advertures and campories, the subject of Garcia Silcon Grease came up. Now this guy was Retired Air Forse, workng for Rockwell on some kind of classified JPL projects over at the Los Angeles Air Forse base at the time. But the point Im getting at is that they looked at the properties of that Garcia Silcon lube, found out the manufature and had an even higher grade produced for whatever they needed it for. The stuff was in little one ounce tubes lots of gvt numbers on the stuff, looked the same to me though, however I was told it was fireproof and good from -300 degrees F to + 300 degrees F. Anyway I used to get the leftovers from some of the guys at the Los Angeles Base, they rod the same greenline commuter bus to work in the morning as I did, and it worked great, especially so mixing it with pure Graphite for the bolt on my rifle for Alaska hunting at the time. The Garcia (Mitchell line) of spinning reels and conventional reels were packed with some kind of grease at the time that turned to the consistancy of melted crayons in short order. The paperwork said it was a breakin grease and the owner should completely remove it or have the reel serviced professionally at year one. Never met anyone who did that. I got the nasty guys after around year 6 or so, the big 488s and 498s alot, the were way past time for a good cleaning. I would use about one ounce of that Silicon Grease cases to pack the bearings, gears and shafts and walla the reels were better than new, Im still fishing quite a few from the late 60s loaded with 50 and 80 pound power pro for Albacore and Tuna with my son every year (pum 498 models) on custom made Fenwick Sticks, point being that lube works, a few drops on my fly reels seems to have the same effect. By the way Ive used HOT SAUSE and have no complants, it seems to work just fine for a full season of fishing. I think I will pickup some of your Reel Butter and try it too. I fish here around 300 days a year so I give my equipment a good run fo rmy money each year before I clean everything up. Guess what Im saying is try em all, seems that under normal maintance all three will give outstanding service, just remember to do for real maintance at least once a year, nothing lasts forever and good tackle deserves to be maintained well. Richard |
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keebranch |
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I thought that the general consensus was the Hot sauce was better. I may re-think all of this -I have some Garcia silicon still and may try it again...
Les |
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flyfishing4goldentrout |
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Hi Les, well I clean my reels so you can eat off any of them when winter hits, so they are spotless and inspected completely, then relube them and after Ive
cleaned the fly line and backing and allowed it to dry I respool the works too, ready to go soon as I need them. Ive seen no real difference in the hands on
use between the much older Garcia Silicote Grease and Hot Sause, I had some reels worked on by Bulldog awhile back and they came home lubed up with his
favorite Hot Sause, my first exposure to the stuff. Frankly it works just as good as the old Garcia Grease or my uses. Again, my reels are rinsed and air dried
at the end of the day when exposed to river water silt or alot of blowing silica sand on windy days here. And that helps alot. If I see grit buildup on any
greased surface I wip it down clean and relube, that does happen more often than I would like to admit too. Again Ive never been able to just lube the spindle
once in a season, just the high winds here and all except winter, the fast flowing water with lots of silt mixed in. Reel gets into the water and river sand
and silt gets into the thing and onto the grease.
I am looking forward to trying the reel butter though, Im always interested new things. The Garcia Silcote is getting more expensive as it gets harder to find as well. The one ounce tube is running $10 when I can find it now. Richard |
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jgestar |
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Joe put this into the proper perspective - the average fly reel isn't a "performance" machine (a $900 Abel rigged for billfish is a different
matter). The requirements for fly reel lubricants are also simple - reduce friction and reduce corrosion. My reels take the biggest beating while I'm
stripping line.
The most important requirement for a lubricant is to stay where you put it. Because fly reels move slowly and intermittently, for parts that don't fit tightly, grease is the proper choice (drag pawls and gears). The Hot Sauce grease is very good in this regard - better than the Penn Lube I used to use or the axel grease I've also used (I haven't tried Reel Butter grease or oil - it may stay put too). If the grease is slung around the inside of the reel it's not staying on the moving parts (it's also a bigger mess to clean up later). I use Hot Sauce oil on the "tight fitting" parts like the spool spindle and reel handle shaft. The lubricant for these applications has to penetrate into a tight space and stay there. A little drop goes a long way. Excess lubricant migrates to unwanted locations where it attracts dirt or fouls the fly line. If you use Hot Sauce oil, pitch the applicator cap and use a fly tying bodkin to apply the oil. For corrosion reduction of non-moving surfaces it is hard to beat Boeshield. This comes in a spray can and leaves a waxy residue behind. It is pricey. Paste wax and car wax are decent choices too. For moving surfaces, you want to ensure your grease won't break down into a waxy, tarry residue or a corrosive byproduct (lithium grease does both). When the grease stiffens or is too thick, it no longer floats dirt or metal particles away from the metal surface. The reel will wear out as quickly as it would without lubrication. Finally, lubricants are supposed to get dirty. That is the captured dirt and metal particles that would otherwise foul the moving parts. Periodically wipe out the old grease and oil and add new (don't just add more on top). Paper towels and pipe cleaners are perfect. When the wiping isn't enough, give it the full Bulldog spa and salon routine. As far as I know, there is no magic lubricant that can absolve us of yearly maintenance. Tom |
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I bought Hot Sauce only because of Bulldog's recommendation, having used Penn's reel lubricant since practically the dawn of time. I agree with Tom
that we're not talking Porsche Turbo revs on the old Hardy so we really don't need a lubricant reverse engineered from the latest captured UFO. My
only complaint is that %$#@ stuff gets over everything! Invariably my leader seem to have a need to wrap itself around the internal mechanism of my reels when
stored for a while, and I eventually wind up with that red stuff all on my hands. Why does it have to be red!
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jgestar |
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Tom,
I thought I was the only guy who routinely got his leader/tippet wrapped around the drag gear! I figure the red color is good because I see the grease before I stick my fingers in it. Hot Sauce does stick very well to whatever it touches. Has anyone tried Hot Sauce grease or Reel Butter grease as a leader floatant? Tom |
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keebranch |
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well yes, but not intentionally...
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JeffK |
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After years of using Penn oil and grease I switched to Hot Sauce this year and have used it for fly, spinning, casting, and saltwater reels both modern and
antique. I think it is better (reels spin smoother), but time will tell on longevity. Also there is no substitute for regular maintenance. Like most of the
commenters here, I have seen way too many reels that stopped working because the grease became dirty tar. If the owner left it alone afterthe oil/grease got
stiff it may come out like new after cleaning. However, using a reel with dirty lubricant can loosen up the fit on shafts and wear gears down in a hurry.
It's a shame to see good reels ruined for lack of a little maintence.
The Hot Sauce does wet metal very well. I did an experiment with the Hot Sauce oil on an old casting reel with the cover open. When spinning the handle the oil got drawn into the gears and it never got flung off. When I stopped the oil still held the gears. I was impressed. |
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swalker9513.ultralightflyfi... |
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I hope everyone knows I wasn't trying to stir anything up. I couldn't find Hot Sauce at my local Academy, but could find Reel Butter. That's why I
asked.
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keebranch |
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Sean,
LOL, not a problem. It's obvious that people love to baby their viantage investments- their reels. I too have found myself in that category. Les |
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JeffK |
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I don't think you stirred anything up other than a good discussion. This is a great place to compare different ways of doing things from lubing a reel to
coating wraps to fixing a cork grip. The more info the better. BTW, I bought the Hot Sauce after discussions here. If I see Reel Butter around maybe I will
give that a shot too.
If I wasn't learning things all the time fishing might get boring. And one thing you learn quickly on these forums is that there are a lot of ways to skin a cat - pick the one that suits you best. |
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