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Reel Dilemma - Bougle VI vs Cascapedia (2/3/4 wt size)

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BH Spey	Reel Dilemma - Bougle VI vs Cascapedia (2/3/4 wt size)	Lead	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 239 (04/02/09 13:40:14) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I've got a BIG birthday coming up and my wife wanted suggestions of something nice that I wouldn't go out and buy for myself and so I started looking around online and decided on a nice new Hardy. It would be my intention to put the reel on the 7' 3wt 3pc DiamondGlass I recently completed and was leaning towards the Cascapedia because of the cosmetics, but am a little concerned about the 6.5 oz weight on a 3wt rod. The Bougle comes in at 3.6 oz I believe. So is a 6.5 oz reel too much for a 3wt DiamondGlass rod? Any comments you could share on the comparative quality of the two reels would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance! Which would you put on a DiamondGlass 7' 3wt 3pc (Result) Hardy Bougle VI 3" Hardy Cascapedia 2/3/4 -- This Space For Rent -- Last Edited By: BH Spey 04/04/09 09:34:24. Edited 2 times.
Rockthief	photographs for comparison	#1	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 1215 (04/02/09 14:47:29) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	here is a visual showing both reels on a 7' 6" Diamondglass 3 wt. Both are gorgeous on this rod, but the Cascapedia balances close to the butt whereas the Bougle balances 2" onto the cork from the front. This is with line on both reels. Your rod is 6" shorter than mine so the balance with the Bougle will be in the middle of the cork. Paul Last Edited By: Rockthief 04/02/09 14:52:59. Edited 1 times.
Rockthief		#2	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 1217 (04/02/09 15:03:17) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	You might consider the J. Austin Forbes Aerial at 2.8 ounces (80 grams or so). They can be found youknowwhere for about $200.00 including shipping. The Vision GT 24 would work as well. Fun, eh!?
bulldog1935		#3	[-]
Posts: 4938 (04/02/09 15:20:47) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	um, take two, they're small... the rods are never obsolete - the marketing is.
BH Spey		#4	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 240 (04/02/09 15:39:19) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Rockthief, Thanks for the photos, they help a lot! Thus far I'd only been able to find pics of the 10/11 wt Cascapedia online. And thanks for the comments on the balance, I put a down locking seat on my DG which will only compound the Cascapedia's balance problem. Bulldog, "um, take two, they're small" don't get it? -- This Space For Rent --
bulldog1935		#5	[-]
Posts: 4939 (04/02/09 15:47:22) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I wouldn't want to choose, but it's an allusion to an old 60s joke. the rods are never obsolete - the marketing is.
dugdan		#6	[-]
Sport Posts: 23 (04/02/09 16:01:47) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Bulldog has it right, you are going to wish you had both. You will select between two fine choices. But for your reference these are the weights of the reels loaded with 4 weight double tapers and backing : Cascapedia 2/3/4- 7.54oz. Bougle 3"- 5.27 oz. I put each on my D'glass 7'3wt. and ran the line through the guides to check the balance, the Cascapedia balanced 2" from the base of the grip, the Bougle balanced at 3 1/4". Changing the rod to the 8' 4wt. moved the Cascapedia's balance point up to 4 "s, which is about right, and the Bougle to 5"s, right over my index finger, and perfect. And on the 8'6" 4wt., the Cascapedia is also at that same 5" mark. As an aside,a Hardy Featherweight with a 3 wt. double taper balanced at 5" on the 7' 3wt., and is my favorite match. So, what you should get is all three reels, and all three rods!! And lest we forget......HAPPY BIG BIRTHDAY!!! "When we're discouraged by the madness of the world and need to involve ourselves in something elemental,we turn to water." Jerry Dennis
bob4st		#7	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 586 (04/02/09 17:09:33) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	...I strongly suggest the Boogly... the Casp is very beautiful but a whopper of a reel and drag for the diminutive 7 for 3... Oh and by the way, just what da heck is a drag doing on a reel that small and what for heaven's sake would you use it for?... to stop a sub?... which leads me to my next question, what da heck is a sub doing in a stream?... eh?... cumon, tell me......... I'm waiting........ cat got yer typing finger?........ HA, just as I thought... ya'll have no good answer........... Ok, next question...
hookjaw23		#8	[-]
Sport Posts: 60 (04/02/09 20:09:43) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Both look nice, I have the 2/3/4 Kassie and it's a beefy reel. It's alittle on the heavy side for my 8' 3/4 Steffen and my 8'6" T&T Paradigm graphite. It does nicely on 7'6"-8' bamboo's though. My bougle balances these rods nicely... both are awesome in their own right. Two distinct styles. Trust me, whichever one you choose you'll live w/ a few less/extra ounces on a rod. They're pretty. Period. Don't know if you're interested in going for a "Made in England" Hardy but cortland has a few remaining Alnwick made Bougle Mk V 3" (green frame... pics are around... i know Tricky has one) for not obnoxiously more than a Mk VI (depending on where you're getting it from) --> http://www.cortlandline.com/scripts/prodList.asp?idCategory=36 Good luck and let us know what you choose. -matt
Cameron		#9	[-]
Posts: 3240 (04/02/09 20:32:25) Administrator & Chat Room Host Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	BH Spey...my votes in...but it was tough. www.TheFiberglassManifesto.com
BH Spey		#10	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 241 (04/02/09 21:45:59) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Thanks for the comments guys! bob4st, I am looking at the Casapedia MK II which according to the 2009 Hardy reel catalog: "...the smaller sized models have a centralised click-check braking system which famously protects the lightest tippets. The eight/nine weight reels and upwards are braked by a one-way clutch..." So they shouldn't be overkill for the spring creeks in the Driftless Area. Hookjaw, thanks for the tip on the Bougle MK V but that's about double the budget. -- This Space For Rent --
bulldog1935		#11	[-]
Posts: 4943 (04/03/09 07:44:06) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	coming back - I like both reels, but if I could only have one, it would be the Bougle. Perfect-style reels are a hoot to fish. I wouldn't have been able to land this guy on my Cascapedia 2/3/4 the rods are never obsolete - the marketing is.
BH Spey		#12	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 243 (04/03/09 07:54:14) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	bulldog1935 wrote: .... I wouldn't have been able to land this guy on my Cascapedia 2/3/4 Why wouldn't you have been able to land that fish on the Casapedia, but could with a Bougle? -- This Space For Rent --
bulldog1935		#13	[-]
Posts: 4945 (04/03/09 10:14:35) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	because the Bougle had both backing capacity and the ability to clamp the spool and winding plate for brakes. Unlike trout, stripers head downriver first with everything they have until you stop and turn them. This is a 5-wt. trout rod. While the Cascapedia has a good click-pawl, there is no way to consistently and long-term add serious drag - you can put your index finger inside the spool as you're running out of backing, but you're not going to stop a striper with that. the rods are never obsolete - the marketing is.
scud dog		#14	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 1347 (04/06/09 19:15:16) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	BHSpey, I have the Cascapedia 2/3/4 paired with a Hardy Glass Perfection. It balances perfectly and also balances well with an 8'6" #4 Diamondglass. IMO: it'd be beefy on your 7' #3. I sold a 7' #4 D'glass that balanced with a Hardy Featherweight. I voted for the Bougle...closer to the Featherweight in weight... As far as drag goes; The Cascapedia is smooth as silk and can feather light tippets. That said, I'm sure a Bougle would perform just as well. Last Edited By: scud dog 04/06/09 19:34:01. Edited 1 times.
mudman.clarksclassicfl...		#15	[-]
Sport Posts: 6 (04/06/09 20:13:15) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The Bougle; It's got balls!!
bob4st		#16	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 588 (04/06/09 21:19:18) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	...Go Boogly!... Go Boogly!... Go Boogly!.... Go Boogly!!...
Bamboozle		#17	[-]
Guide Posts: 179 (04/07/09 06:20:55) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	BH: I have the UK version Cascapedia 2/3/4 which I believe is the same as the current reel, on a 7'6" 5wt bamboo and it balances perfectly. I'd feel it would be WAY too heavy on a 7'0" 3wt glass rod. I also own a 3" Bougle Mk IV which is pretty much the older UK version of the current Mk VI and identical I believe. It lives on a 7'0" 4wt bamboo and sometimes on a 6'6" bamboo. It might be a better balance on your rod but it may also be a tad heavy IMHO. Drag, palming and all that stuff aside, I go for a Featherweight. I use one on a 7'0" 4wt Spruce Creek and it balances like a dream. It may not have the fancy balls and look but it is a SWEET reel. FUBO Last Edited By: Bamboozle 04/07/09 15:20:43. Edited 1 times.
Canoeman1947		#18	[-]
Guide Posts: 94 (04/07/09 17:34:52) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I have that Diamondglass 7 ft. 3 wt., and it balances fine with a Flyweight. If you just must have one of the reels you mentioned, go with the Bougle, even though I think it would be a bit heavy for that rod. Larry