Ray..................
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Raybow |
Reel / rod balance ? |
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I put this question here as there is more reel info. The question is: Where does your rod balance with the reel on it? I have read some about the rod should
balance with line throught the guides, where your index finger is on the grip. I find that all my 'set-ups' are tip heavy with this measure. I have
experimented with lead core trolling line as backing where the reel weighs 8-9 ounces. The heavier reel balances on a 7-8 weight rod at the index finger on
the grip and yes the rod in hand when casting is much less effortless. Curious for yalls opinion and experimentation. The glass rods are heavier and is tip
heavy. But the rods were used in their day with reels of much less weight than what I described above.
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mdwwhw |
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Well, one of our resident "reel whisperers" recommends about an inch on either side of the tip end of the grip. I find this works for me with line on the spool but not necessarily threaded through the guides. The amount in and beyond the guides is so variable when fishing it doesn't seem to be worth worrying about. Frankly, nothing affects my casting more than my own mediocrity. Since I don't have the perfect reel and line combination for all my rods--sad, I am underprivilidged--I'll go with a bit butt heavy over tip heavy.
Tip heavy seems to tire my arm more quickly.
"Everything's better when wet...."
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bulldog1935 |
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but if your rig is reel-heavy it dampens the Feel (and makes you throw tailing loops), which pretty-much defeats the point in choosing to cast fiberglass in
the first place
the rods are never obsolete - the marketing is.
Last Edited By: bulldog1935
03/24/09 19:50:12.
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Raybow |
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Are we doing what the old timers did back in the day? Probably so. I am still caught up in the tech side and it hasn't made my casting much better anyway;)
Thanx for the input fellers.............Ray..........
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midmofly |
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Ray---On 7' to 8' rods that I own, I have been able to balance pretty close using medalist and ocean city reels and lead core wire, however on my
Wright/Mcgill rods and 8 1/2' rods I find that automatic reels were the only reels that come close to balancing this setup that I could afford.
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bulldog1935 |
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I've mentioned to Ray before that I have a Martin multiplier that would balance his big rod.
But I disagree about the index finger as the balance point - an inch either side of the forward end of the cork is the correct balance ballpark.
the rods are never obsolete - the marketing is.
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PeteStiles |
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Ron - Is that with all the line still on the reel?
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bulldog1935 |
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essentially - people always get weird - almost violent - when this topic comes up - it changes when you strip line, etc. (People have been banned on
Clark's board over this argument, usually starts with someone citing Charles Ritz)
that's why I always give a 2-4" ballpark for the correct balance point, and leaving plenty of room for personal preferences. I have found myself moving my preferred balance point out to that inch ahead of the front of the cork. But the rules are the same - more feel, slower rod and more torsional loads on the elbow as the balance point moves out the rod; less feel, tighter loops and more wind knots as the balance point moves toward the rear. aside from that, relax the sphincter and go fishing...
the rods are never obsolete - the marketing is.
Last Edited By: bulldog1935
03/25/09 11:20:14.
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waynebh |
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I get the feeling that this is definetly related to what feels "right" to each individual. I think Ron has stated it very well in giving a range for
the balance point.
I find that rods feel best to me and are most comfortable when they balance in the upper inch of the grip. Who knows,as time goes on I may prefer a different balance point. I can tell you this, if a rod is not balanced within the range Ron stated, I find more it difficult to cast and that my arm fatigues quickly. I think it's very much up to the individuals casting technique or style, find what works best for you and stick with it! |
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bulldog1935 |
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thank you Wayne.
the rods are never obsolete - the marketing is.
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whrlpool |
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Try a bunch of reels to feel the difference. I go about the range described above, but lately I find myself moving my hand way down the grip so the reel is
almost under the back of my palm which, obviously, is putting the balance point farther in front of my thumb and index finger. You know, the characteristics of
fiberglass made fly rods past 9' uncommon, and for most fishing with line weights in common use for the time 5 through 9, and within that 6 through 8 most
common of all, 'glass rods were typically in the 7' to 8 1/2' foot range, 8' not uncommon for the heavier lines. Part of that was the nature of
the material in casting and playing fish, but a secondary reason is that by the time a 'glass rod is 9' long, it's hard to find any reel that
balances it just forward of the hand. Get one heavy enough, or weight it enough, and you might as well use the outfit to thwack porcupines coming out from
under your canoe. To get "lightness" in rods and put them in range to have some semblance of "balance," they had to be shorter than the
norms graphite has conditioned us to. With most glass rods, reels 4 oz. to 6 1/2 oz will do, that being the common range of production reels of the time.
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bulldog1935 |
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Steve, I move my hand all over the grip when I'm fishing.
Part of it may be to avoid fatigue, part of it may also to get different effect, especially soft delivery, from my cast.
the rods are never obsolete - the marketing is.
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Raybow |
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Feel of the rod/reel is a major part in the enjoyment even if I don't catch fish. My knowledge in glass rods and vintage reels is very limited and there is
a learning curve I'm sure , that I'm trying to keep to a minimal. Most of yall have experimented and have found what feels good. I'm not fishing or
yard casting my modern day stuff and trying to compare as I do know that is not a fair comparison. What I do know is the way I want the rod to feel in my hand.
I don't want the rod tip comming up in the air because the reel is to heavy and I don't want the tip of the rod to be a constant effort to keep out of
the water when stripping. Actual physical weight of the whole set-up doesn't bother me at all. I just want a balance.
I probably need to see and cast other's rigs to find what I like. I just can't afford to buy 50 rods and 50 reels to find out that I have 3 that balance like I'd like. That is until the stimulus package kicks in;) Thanx for all the help.......................Ray............................ |
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waynebh |
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Hi Raybow;
The epitome for me was trying Riffling Hitch's 8' 5wt Cortland Pro Crest. He had it balanced perfectly and it was such a dream to cast. After that, I paid a lot of attention to balance, lawn casting several of my rod reel combos as is and seeing how they "felt" and subsequently cast for me. My favorites all balanced near the same spot. I then balanced all other rods to that point and they too quickly became favorites. A quick trick is to get a roll of masking tape and some pennies. add pennies to butt end of real seat with masking tape and play with the balance. find what you like best then, change it and see how it effects your impression of that rod or how quickly you tire using it unbalanced. I have a well balanced Garcia 9' 2406 with a Pfglueger 1498 loaded with lead. I know when I pick it up it's much heavier then just about any rod I own. I don't know how much the rod/reel combo weigh but they are balanced and are nearly effortless to cast, even when casting some pretty bulky, wind resistant flies. Hope this helped Waynebh |
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Raybow |
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waynebh, interesting. I'm not familiar with the rod so I don't have a perspective. But I do know about the 1498 and the real is heavy. But I do believe
also that a balanced rod/reel will cast with less effort even with the physical weight of the whole set-up being heavy. I was just curious if I was missing
something about tunning and the such. But I am learning that everyone is different in what feels good to them so that is the direction I'll go.
Thanx all for the input..............Ray.................. |
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