I don't own any 9'0" glass although I do own a 9'0" and a 9'0" bamboo so most of the time if I feel the need for a 9'0" rod, I will be using graphite or on occasion bamboo.
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Bamboozle |
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I fish what I got which is glass, grass, and pencil lead depending on my mood and the type of fly being chucked.
I don't own any 9'0" glass although I do own a 9'0" and a 9'0" bamboo so most of the time if I feel the need for a 9'0" rod, I will be using graphite or on occasion bamboo. FUBO |
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Ron,
I fished the Texas Gulf coast for a couple days about three years ago around Rockport, it was almost dead calm! Also was the last time I can remember using a graphite rod, I took a 4pc Sage 7wt RPL. I was clueless but managed to catch a flounder and a couple of small redfish. Here in the Kootenai Valley, our average windspeed in the winter is .2 mph. Keith |
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90% of my fishing is glass, 5% cane. Rest is graphite. Most rivers and streams it's glass or bamboo. On the kickboat, using and typeV- VII sinking lines I
use graphite- floating and sinking lines to IV it's glass. On the Madison (where it seems constantly windy) and other big rivers I use graphite. I love
slow glass but I like the smoothness and castability of a BIIX. I have one of Mike McFarlands GTX rods (FAST) I use on stillwater. I alternate between the
Winston and the McF.
We did pick up some spey rods for a good price (graphite) and now just learning the in's and out's of those animals. I think there's a certain time you have to use a different gun.
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pearow |
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when the wind dies on the coast a greater evil emerges; GIANT MOSQUITOS
I fish graphite on both ends of the spectrum; I like little light 1oz to 2 oz. graphite rods for brim fishing; i like big 8 and 9 weight rods when fishing the coast, but in between is my fiberglass. When I do choose graphite i try to stick to slow to moderate actions. I love to fish the fiberglass in the 7 foot to 8 foot lengths from 4 to 7 weights, maybe an occasional 8 weight-p- |
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flyfishing4goldentrout |
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I see some very valid points based on lifestyle and available time to fish. First if your working for a living, your fishing time is limited to that which you
have set aside to be at your sellected target and location. If its a windy day your going to have to work with what god has given you. Perhaps Graphite is a
must. I know back long before I retired and on the west coast we had a magnificent offshore fishery, a bit tuna stick was mandatory along with rubber boots and
a rain slicker suite. It was what was necessary for the fishery and the weather conditions. Working I didn't have the luxury to stay and rebook another
boat when the weather abated.
Likewise being retired and living just 1 mile above a lake with 54 miles of shoreline and over a hundred miles of year round river fishery not including all the smaller streams that feed into the river or the Golden Trout Wilderness a few miles North of me, I have the luxury of putting my Bass rod away, get in the car and drive a few miles to a secluded area under tree cover to fish in somewhat sheltered waters. While I do have some somewhat unique heavy graphite that by todays standards would be considered full flexing like my Leonards, frankly I haven't been anywhere on the coast where winds would make them mandatory. Plus swinging alot of the big sticks around for an older guy really puts some wear into the arm. I try to fish every clear day possible each year, thats exactly why I retired up here. If I can get in 300 plus days a year Im a happy guy. So keeping it light and knowing my own little fishing routine makes casting much shorter distances and avoiding the heavy winds we get (yes in summer it can be blowing in off the desert to our east with a constant 20 plus mph and gusts easily reaching 60 mph a few getting into the 80s), thus my selective mannor of fishing in the protected areas when those winds are daily occurances. I start the summer with a 5wt, soon as the winds pick up it gets to a 6wt and at least last summer alot of 7wt with wets for river fishing just because of he heavy winds. And yes I do realize that not everyone is lucky enough to have some of the heavy glass that I have. The Phillipsons I have like the late brown 10wt and two golden Eagle Orvis 10wts, a couple of Scientific Anglers Fisher made 11wts and even a bunch of the big stick Fenwicks. Armed with one of my big guns the winds become less of a factor than the simple fact my arm gets tired with all the weight Im trying to swing for extended periods. I found the same thing working with Graphite before I retired and perhaps taxed my arms even more because I knew I would be back at work on Monday so would go home with a sore arm. Personally I think its all about the available time we have to spend doing what we like to do. If your a working person you want to fish a given area thats subject to alot of wind your going to get the tools you need, be it a Graphite rod. Im in the same boat in winter here for the ultra lights, the ones I fish in 1-2-3wts are all Graphite right now. Most likely for the same reasons you guys are hooked on your big graphite sticks, it simply works better under your given conditions. Richard |
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bob4st |
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...i use glass and bamboo... only use graphite when i don't have or can't get what i want in glass or boo... for example, i fish for steelies with
10' to 13.5' graphite rods only because i can't find one in glass and haven't had the guts to have one made in bamboo yet...
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Boo |
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I fish glass and cane almost exclusively. But, I do have a Orvis 7/11 4wt I reallly like and when using a spey rod it's graphite. I'd someday like to
try a glass spey rod. When it's windy I don't think any rod is good and if I had to settle for a fast/stiff graphite to fish in the wind...well, the
joy would be gone and I wouldn't fish.
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bulldog1935 |
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well Keith, I'd say you've paid your dues in reverse - you may not want to come back.
the rods are never obsolete - the marketing is.
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thousandstar.clarksclassicfl... |
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Fly rods are like women. I like them all, but I love the ones that do what I want.
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Taeke |
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thousandstar wrote:Bingo *lmao* |
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jkurtz7 |
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I tend to fish whatever strikes my fancy for the day.
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BH Spey |
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jgestar wrote:
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JeffK |
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Shouldn't have to get the rod in a U to put the force on a big fish - try pointing the rod more toward to fish (maybe as low as 30 degrees from horizon) so
that the butt end does the work, not the upper end. Shorter lever arm, stiffer butt = more force. Many heavy duty salt water rods are glass and are used to
horse in some wild fish. Early on someone recommended putting a scale on the rod and pulling it it. This is very revealing.
One more use for graphite: 10'+ rods for Czech nymphing and wet fly fishing. My 10' Czech nymphing rods are much lighter in graphite. I have a bunch of 9 1/2' to 11' antique wet fly rods of cane and wood that I use for historical interest, and some aren't all that heavy feeling. However, graphite has really made using a long rod comfortable. |
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JeffK wrote:
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WetFlyAction |
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Wait a minute- isn't the 9' sceptre the 6/7/8 rod?
I ask because I'm right in the middle of building mine. Am I remembering wrong? I bought the blank last winter. |
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rvreclus |
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My $.02,
This was an interesting read, with valid points across the board. I agree with Tom and Richard as well as others, I can also see the point BH Spey is making. WetFlyAction also made an observation that I agree with. With no particular bias, I would like to state that fiberglass and graphite are different(WOW). I fish both in 7-8-9-10wt rods, my first choice is glass, I like the way it flexes, deep into the butt when a large fish is hooked(even doubling over). I don't feel undergunned or out of control( Salmon to 54# , Stripers to 34#). I have glass rods in these weights starting with 8.5' rods to 9' nothing longer. When it comes to my graphite sticks, they start at 9' and end at 13'3". The longest, is the one that has the most feel. My favorite and first choice is a 9' 9wt Winston (Fisher blank, 1st generation low modulus), a very soft action graphite rod. Other graphite favorites, I also have a Powell and a Sage RPL( this is the stiffest graphite I have) and it gives me somewhat the same action BH Spey describes. There is more resistance to flexing in the butt. I do not equate this resistance to flexing as more control, just a different characteristic of the rod design and material. I also find some graphite rods very fragile, glass is a tougher material. These have been some personal observations. My choice of rods is determined by conditions, including water type, weather, and expected distances to be fished under the conditions. I enjoy all kinds of rods, but would be perfectly happy if all I had to chose from where glass rods. Respectfully rvreclus |
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docbluedevil |
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Since I gravitate towards progressive "medium-ish" actions regardless of rod material, I tend to cycle through glass, boo, & graphite throughout
the year. But since most of my rods are glass, I fish glass the most.
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GRASSNGLASS |
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I like glass for the same reason I love bamboo, that is I like fishing classic tackle. Between the two I use bamboo 80% and glass 20.
On the other hand as much as I love the classic stuff I don't think you can beat the casting of 9 to 10' rods that is offered by Sage and Loomis. I also have several short Sage and Loomis rods that are beyond excellent in their casting abilities. Still if I could only fish older rods it would be my Orvis Boo and my Para/Metrics, with some Orvis Golden Eagles thrown in for good measure. Barry |
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Back when I was a kid, I longed for a Wonderod because I thought it was beautiful and my 12 year older brother fished with one, while I fished with a short tip
bamboo. I saved my money till I got enough to buy an HI glass rod for $6 at the A&N store, but it was only a stopgap. Bill came home from basic training at
Ft Knox around Christmas time that year and had two things for me he bought in the PX, a Remington single shot 22 and a Presidential Wonderod just like his. It
was the beginning of an identity. I still have the Wonderod in wonderful condition, hanging on the wall in my office here. Unfortunately the 22 was stolen or I
would have it too. Hard to forget your beginnings and hard to pull yourself away from the truly important things that have lead you through life. My brother
and the Wonderod have defined much of my directions in life.
One thing I learned from that was to aim my wonderings at the best I could hope for. Down through the years those hopes have taken many forms, but in the early 80's it was hard to pass up graphite as the ultimate fly rod material. Its light weight, power, and over all performance put my glass rods in the rack and that is where most of them have stayed till the present. I have built and fished with graphite rods in every convenient length and in every price range and, but for extremely short stuff, I have no doubt graphite is pretty much superior to any other rod material ever tried. It has definitely been the answer to cutting edge for me and surely everybody else. But, and this is the premise most of us are operating from, there is a mystique to cane and glass that state of the art and state of the import graphite just can't touch, namely an emotional grasp that graphite just can't quite capture. When I was much younger, I always wanted a cane rod. Most fly fishers go through that longing and some actually buy one. I never was quite overcome by it, I guess because I had learned to fly fish with that tip short cane back in the late 40 and 50's. I had had my bad taste of cane, but my long persistent taste of glass has stuck with me from the beginning. It has never been because of any kind of superiority. It has been that mystique that sort of pulled me in with that Wonderod. I felt then it was the finest fly rod anyone could ever want and that unconscious longing has never really been put to rest. Here I am closing in on the end of my life and I am back to my beginnings again, working with glass. Enjoying those same longings I was taken with as a kid. Maybe that is the turn around we all are destined to take. Maybe that is the real reason for glass. |
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frogmorton |
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I do love glass but I'll always fish graphite too. I think the Scott G 906 is as fine a rod as I've ever fished, I could never give mine up.
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