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ratfacedmcdougal	Another Dutch on Hardy/Scepter	Lead	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 270 (03/03/09 04:22:52) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I see there is another Dutch auction for some more Hardy/Sceptre blanks on that online auction site. Anyone here going to go at them this time? I'm going to pass but I love my 9', very versatile rod. RFMcD
bulldog1935		#1	[-]
Posts: 4774 (03/03/09 07:13:42) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	what size? the rods are never obsolete - the marketing is.
jgestar		#2	[-]
Posts: 3394 (03/03/09 08:19:12) ezOP Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The same seller is offering some 8.5 foot and 9 foot blanks and some of both sizes with cork grips installed. A dozen or more of each size appear to be available. No 7 footers. Tom
corlay		#3	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 663 (03/03/09 09:51:31) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	jgestar wrote: The same seller is offering some 8.5 foot and 9 foot blanks and some of both sizes with cork grips installed. A dozen or more of each size appear to be available. No 7 footers. The pics show a "Fibatube" label on the blank? Are these Sceptres? My 7'0" blank is un-marked... PS Did you Guys ever figure out how a Dutch Auction actually works with regard to bidding, and the final price? I went back and read that mess of a discussion that ensued when the first batch of Sceptre blanks became available... "From my observations I think that most of us spend too much time worrying about our tackle and too little time learning the intimate characteristics of the fish and streams we fish most." - Ray Bergman Trout, New York: Knopf 1938
mdwwhw		#4	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 434 (03/03/09 15:11:56) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	My 9 ft blank from the seller has a Fibatube label. It just a plastic stick on, not intended to be permanent. If I recall Andy's description of the process, these were built as Scepters for Anglers Mail in a cloned Fisher factory built for Hardy in England or something like that. Some were labeled for Constable I believe, and other blanks may have been used by well known but unamed makers. Love my 7' built by Old Yankee Rodsmiths. Had it out this morning, until the wind shut everything down. Hayden "Everything's better when wet...." Steve Miller Band
caddis4		#5	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 264 (03/03/09 17:08:14) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	mdwwhw wrote: Love my 7' built by Old Yankee Rodsmiths. Had it out this morning, until the wind shut everything down. Hayden Could you tell me which line(s) you prefer with the 7ft Sceptre? I haven't used mine much...I use the 9 footer in the salt with an intermediate cortland wf salt water taper. It nicely handles an 8, 9 or 10wt line. Lots of power to cut through the ocean wind. (haven't built my 8 1/2 ft yet). Lou
caddis4		#6	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 265 (03/03/09 17:17:06) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	corlay wrote; PS Did you Guys ever figure out how a Dutch Auction actually works with regard to bidding, and the final price? I went back and read that mess of a discussion that ensued when the first batch of Sceptre blanks became available... The way I think it works is if there is say 10 rods available, the ten highest bidders get a rod...unless one or more of the bidders bids on more than one rod...in which case, low bidders get bumped. So, if I am the high bidder for 9 rods, only the next highest bidder gets the tenth rod and I get nine rods. Lou
jgestar	The Most Confusing of Auctions	#7	[-]
Posts: 3397 (03/03/09 17:46:55) ezOP Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	If there are 10 blanks available, the highest 10 bidders win the auction. They all pay the lowest of the 10 bids for each of the blanks. For example, Bidder A offers $20, Bidder B $18, and so forth until Bidder J has offered $9 (the tenth highest bid), and Bidder K offers $8.50. Bidders A through J get their blanks at $9.00 each and Bidder K gets none. You are allowed to bid on multiple items during a Dutch auction. If you bid on 5 blanks at $20 each and 35 people each bid a bit less, your 5 blanks count as 5 of the top 10 bids. If 7 people each bid a bit more than $20, then you will only win 3 blanks (everyone pays $20 per blank). Wait, there's more. Perhaps you bid $20 each on 5 blanks, and after a couple of days of spirited bidding, there are 10 bids higher than yours. If you bid again, you must bid a higher TOTAL bid. In other words, you bid $100 total the first time. Now you must bid at least $101 total. That can be 1 blank at $101, 2 at $51.50 each, etc. This aspect confuses many bidders. Bidding a high unit price on several items early in the auction is a bad strategy. You can bid against yourself in a Dutch auction. Perhaps there are 9 blanks with bids ranging from $30 to $20 and your's is tenth with the low bid at $15. You wish to ensure you aren't bumped at the end of the auction and you increase your bid to $30. The auction ends and everyone pays the low bid, which is now $20. Even though the highest 10 bidders didn't change, the lowest of the 10 bids increased. I don't think most snipe software works with Dutch auctions. You gotta gut them out. Tom
LukeandParker		#8	[-]
Sport Posts: 66 (03/04/09 09:13:57) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Never mind the snipe software...my brain doesen't work with Dutch Auctions either! caddis4, I too have one of Andys Sceptres...amazing rods. I found a 3 wt a little light in a slight breeze. The 4 wt (DT) was very nice at turning over dries, but started to lose it's punch with a Wolly Bugger or heavy nymph. I found a DT 5 wt perfect. It was great in a pretty stiff breeze turning over smaller dries and even jumbo sized Hex's. It was no problem with streamers and poppers as well. It was great short and long. A 6 worked ok in short, but I felt a strain after about 30 feet. Chad.
mdwwhw	Line wts for a 7 Sceptre	#9	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 435 (03/04/09 14:15:57) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	In its day it was advertised as a 3-6, soooo: I like my 7 Sceptre with mostly 7 wts, a 7 WF and a 7 10 ft sink tip usually. I tend to fish my venerable rods at the top end of their rated capacities and in this case I like it better one over. It handles them with ease. Just in my hands, it does well with a Courtland Peach 5 DT and a 333 5 DT, doesn't like my H&H 6DT, gets along ok with a SA GPX Mastery that's that rated 6 but would probably weigh out a true 7 wt WF, and is okay with a Courtland 444 6 WF and a cheap Orvis 6 WF. I haven't tried it yet with a SA GPX Mastery 6 wt sink tip I have, mainly because I picked up the wrong reel last time out. I've tried 3 wts but can't feel anything, might as well be cheap graphite, 4 wt is fishable but very fast, 5 wts we're getting there. In somebody else's hands it will be different but its also one of the things I love about 'glass and this rod in particular. Now, this is just me, my mediocre cast, and my old joints and a limited selection of lines. I'm almost always fishing warmwater and a 7 ft 7 wt is fine and its a good close in 5 wt. "Everything's better when wet...." Steve Miller Band
Rockthief		#10	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 1180 (03/05/09 09:52:15) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Fish my 7' Sceptre with a WF5 or a DT5. I tried the 3 but not much happened. A 4 was only fair. It also works fine with a 6 and as Hayden said, with a 7. The 9' is a beast and one powerful rod. It is very heavy so finding a reel to balance is problematic.
mdwwhw		#11	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 436 (03/05/09 12:30:09) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Ok, another slight veer but in topic. Those that have finished their 9 ft Sceptres, what weight of line are you using? Finished out spey, switch single? I've got the blank and I'm somewhat curious. Heavy reels, no problem. "Everything's better when wet...." Steve Miller Band
Rockthief		#12	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 1181 (03/05/09 12:42:06) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Hayden I toss any WF8F about a mile. These rods are real catapults. Oh, I also cast with a Wulff TT89. It cast the same as the other lines.
ratfacedmcdougal		#13	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 271 (03/06/09 03:40:16) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I've fished my 9' with DT5, DT6 and WF7. I like the DT6 best. It will chuck that WF7 a good long ways. The 5 was a little underlined, but it would cast it fine after I worked out enough line to load it up. I've lawn cast it with a WF9. It cast that alright but I think that it Would really max out with an 8. RFMcD
jeffjon		#14	[-]
Sport Posts: 19 (03/06/09 20:30:38) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I had mine out today on one of the Columbia basin lakes that opened March 1st. I had a full sinking 7wt and it was a delight. The first time I fished it was with an 8wt floater and it was fine with that but I think a 6wt or 7wt will be my choice for the sinkers. It gets a little breezy on those lakes from time to time and that 9 footer is going to be the one that gets picked first. I built it with a full wells and detachable extended butt. I've got a couple of 81/2s that I haven't built yet. What weights are folks using on those? JJ
majicwrench		#15	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 1065 (03/07/09 09:08:39) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I have a couple of the 9ft blanks, and taped a reel and some guides on one right when I got it ( a year ago?), seemed like an 8/9 rod to me, really would zing a 9wt. Course all this is on grass, things might change with rod all together and on water. I plan on a permanent fighting butt, which will move the whole grip up a few inches, basicly making the rod feel a tad bit shorter. Now I need to find my roundtoit. Keith
waynebh		#16	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 194 (03/11/09 07:06:03) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Hi All; I bought one of the Dutch auction 9ft blanks with grip. I'm hoping it makes a nice 8wt for throwing bass bugs. Waynebh
Nijinski.theunofficialbl...		#17	[-]
Sport Posts: 8 (03/11/09 07:31:33) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I got one of the 8.5' blanks with the cork grip. I'm debating whether it's worth chopping 9" off the butt and losing the cork to lessen the power just a bit. I think it might not make much sense.
JeffSod		#18	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 1062 (03/11/09 09:08:17) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I threw a bid in on the 9ft blank without a grip thinking of having it made up for a saltwater striper rod but was beat out by a buck. Oh well didn't really need to be spending the cash anyway
corlay		#19	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 675 (03/11/09 10:20:43) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Nijinski wrote: I'm debating whether it's worth chopping 9" off the butt and losing the cork to lessen the power just a bit. interesting idea. I also bought one of the 8'6" with cork. If making this rod shorter would make it more of a "true 6wt.", I'd certainly be interested. Unfortunately, I don't have nearly enough rod making experience to make that judgment call... "From my observations I think that most of us spend too much time worrying about our tackle and too little time learning the intimate characteristics of the fish and streams we fish most." - Ray Bergman Trout, New York: Knopf 1938
musicar		#20	[-]
Master Guide Posts: 334 (03/11/09 12:29:20) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Nijinski wrote: I'm debating whether it's worth chopping 9" off the butt and losing the cork to lessen the power just a bit. I did exactly that with my 8'6" Sceptre and ended up with 7'10" rod. I use it with WF6 (shorter taper Orvis Green Mt. line) and it is now my favorite rod for smallmouth bass. Fly Fisherman's Cafe

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