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Spencer DT |
McFarland Wrap Color Thread |
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Can we make a good database of wrap colors on McFarland Rods? If you have or can take a picture of your McFarland with close up shots of the wrap colors you
went with I think it will really beneficial reference for people when deciding on what to go with when ordering or wrapping up a blank. Anybody that can
contribute, it is appreciated! I did some searching and found some but would be nice to gather them all together plus any others that might be out there.
Thanks all.
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eastprong |
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If such a database is assembled, it is essential to document the finishes used as well as the thread.
--Rich |
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Spencer DT |
Antique Gold and Claret | ||
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Here is a fine example Mr. McFarland sent me that I think looks real nice. Antique Gold and Claret...
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ratfacedmcdougal |
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RFMcD |
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eastprong |
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Antique gold (Tire #078, silk) tipped burgundy (Gossamer "cardinal"), Al's Color-rite used as CP, followed by epoxy.
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02/22/09 05:02:43.
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jrb78 |
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Black/orange jasper tipped in straw (all Pearsall's Naples) w/ trondak color preserver, finished in permagloss.
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02/22/09 12:44:34.
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davelrods |
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eastprong wrote:That's an interesting look. I'm not familiar with that "color rite" epoxy. I guess it acts as a color preserver. Obviously the thread is opaque like it has had color preserve applied. How does that work. Tell us more. |
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Mojorizing |
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Dave, it's a color preserver that a lot of the cane builders use. Anglers Workshop and others carry it. Al's Silk Color Rite.
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Cameron |
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DT...neat thread to start. There are some mighty fine builds going on here with some "outside the box" thread choices. I like.
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davelrods |
But is it a separate product from the epoxy finish over it. | ||
Mojorizing wrote:In other words is it a color preserver then the epoxy all with the same brand name. |
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eastprong |
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Dave:
The epoxy used was Flexcoat High Build, thinned approximately 10%. --Rich |
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davelrods |
A lot of different color combinations. | ||
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I'll try and get the link to my glass rod catalog page to work again. It wouldn't work last evening. Here it is:
http://www.performancefly...om/catalog/glassrods.html Because the natural honey color of the Lamiglas blanks is so light just about any color can be used with it. With the darker colors of graphite blanks and my varnish finish, anything in a lighter color ends up being splotchy after the varnish cures. It is a nightmare trying to get something in a light color to be really satisfactory with varnish. For example this dark burgundy Sage ZXL blank, I'll put the link since it is a very large jpg, http://www.performancefly....com/catalog/586-4zxl.jpg has Gudebrod rust thread. It ended up splotchy after the varnish had cured well, (days later) much too late to go back and make some changes. I knew better, but thought a new varnish I was using would prevent that, but it didn't. I had built that rod to use as a personal rod, so let it go, but really didn't use it this summer at all so put it back in inventory this fall. I haven't talked about that splotchiness in the listing, figuring it is obvious enough a buyer will make up his own mind about it. I did have two customers see it and ask me to do another with garnet thread, so I know they weren't satisfied with it. I don't like to let stuff like that go and wouldn't have gone with it but for the fact that I decided to use the rod myself. But things in life come around in ways we don't always expect, so it is for sale. If someone doesn't buy it this year, I'll discount it next year. Things like that bring us down to earth and let us know that, no matter how long we've done these things, we are never infallible. Getting back to colors, I've used just a whole bunch of different ones on my glass rods this fall, probably more than a dozen different ones in mostly nylon but some silk. Even the transparent wraps are different colors, some yellow, some tan, some white silk. Trim colors are different too, some NCP, some darker nylon, usually garnet or brown, sometimes scarlet. I will confess one thing, I haven't written down the colors for all the different wraps. That might come back to haunt me. I'm pretty sure I can come up with most of them, but I might get stumped on some of them. It was easier back with graphite since I used fewer colors and the same ones over and over again, but even with them it can be problematic. I used the wrong green on a repair, once. Made me sick. Someone mentioned the finish has to be in the equation too, obviously so given my experience with different varnishes and previously with epoxy. Probably epoxy is the only really consistent finish. I never worried about colors when I used epoxy. Varnish is a nightmare some times. Well, I hope these links work and you can take a look. I think you will enjoy all the color possibilities with honey glass. Tomorrow I will order 15 more glass blanks and another half a dozen graphite, that should get me to spring. You can tell I am really enjoying the glass. |
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jgestar |
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Jackpot. Both links work just fine. Yuku must have been having a hissy last night.
Tom |
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Spencer DT |
Dave! | ||
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Wow, you are building some great looking rods. Actually I like the transparent look a bunch and have been considering it for my McFarland rod.
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davelrods |
I'm not sure if the transparent look | ||
Spencer DT wrote:will work with darker color blanks. I think he uses epoxy rod finish, though, so it might be fine. I've not found a thread that will give me a transparent look with any graphite blanks or with the Lamiglas Spring Creek brown blanks. Something about the lighter colored blanks and light threads in white or tan or light yellow that lets them disappear. Cane guys have been doing it for years. I never got it to work on anything but the honey blanks. I just find my method with varnish seems to work. I know some guys get flex coat lite to work on honey blanks too, beyond that I just don't know. Basically, I use a full bodied spar good and thick and heavy with no thinning and keep it wet for a good spell. That seems to do it. I've tried True Oil, tung oil, walnut oil, various mixes of varnish and turpentine and those oils, and nothing seems to work as well as plain varnish good and heavy with good slow drying. The longer you keep it wet the better it seems to penetrate. The yellow thread leaves yellow guide feet, though. The tan is sort of off clear as is the white silk, though the silk gives the best clear over the feet. It looks perfect over the feet while the whole wrap is just a hint darker. Cane guys are authorities on transparent wraps, so what I do is pretty much just hacking by comparison. I honestly think, and this comes to me from several builders who don't want me to tell on them, the guys with good consistently clear wraps, FlexCoat Lite is the key. They use it for the first coat then do the rest with varnish. Kind of cheating, I think, but what is cheating anyway, if it works. Hell, if I could still use epoxy you can bet I would be doing it that way. |
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davelrods |
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jgestar wrote:Yep, seems to be, Tom. Last night the links gave me the url not found error. I just figured posting a link to my catalog page was probably illegal. Maybe is? wouldn't be the first time I screwed up. I'm honestly not drumming business. Hell, I've gotten so attached to those glass rods, I'd just as soon not sell any of them. They've been worlds of fun. After nearly 30 years of pushing high end graphite, it has been refreshing to get back to my beginnings. I've got them priced too damn high anyway. |
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davelrods |
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eastprong wrote: I see, just a bit of confusion there. You were talking about two different things, the color preserver then the epoxy. That was what I was curious about. look back at your picture caption and it sounded like it was one product that did the color preserving and the epoxy finish all at the same time. Gotcha now. |
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docbluedevil |
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McFarland 7'9" 4 wt 3 pc with semi-transparent tan silk wraps (as used in his 10th anniv. rods).
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davelrods |
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docbluedevil wrote:Hmm, that's tan thread is it. It looks almost reddish. Did the camera get the colors right. I like that combination. I've never seen one of his rods. Is the blank color that sort of reddish tan color. It looks like it works well with lighter colors. Epoxy really makes transparent wraps nice and uniform. I wish I had played around with transparent wraps back when I was using epoxy finish. |
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Erik Osterby |
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docbluedevil |
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davelrods - Don't have the rod in front of me to describe colors. I'll try to take some pics in different lighting to see if it makes a difference.
Erick - I believe the stripper is McFarland's standard agate stripper; looks similar to spender DT's as well. I don't know the brand. |
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