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wb4tjh |
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She may have had a poodle with her, but the real "female dog" was the woman....the nerve of that arogant broad!
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wacokid54 |
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Now I need to check and see if Colorado's anti-harrasment law is just for hunters, or does it extend to fishermen as well. As outdoorsmen, we need to
promote conservation, be ethical, and know our rights under the law. I have never been the victim of outright hunter harrasment, but I know people that have.
We have the Peoples Republic of Boulder here in Colorado, which is a stronghold of people that are highly critical of of guns, hunting, and the killing of wild
animals. But, they often do not know or understand the laws and rights of the people they chastize. I was hiking in the mountains above PRB and carrying a
.22 revolver on my belt. Hiking on a trail in the national forest. I was accused of carrying a gun illegally in a National Park! These same zealots could
easily turn from saving the prairie dogs to saving the brook trout. Conservation, ethics, and know your rights under the law.
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wacokid54 wrote:Waco, some people have a hard time differentiating between a National Park and a National Forest. I would have told them to go find a Park Ranger and discuss it. He's the guy with the Smokey Bear hat. |
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scud dog |
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wb4tjh,
That's a bone chilling observation. The scariest part...I think you're right. |
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scud dog wrote:The fact that I'm right IS the scary part. I personally have known of several people who quit the national organization because it became so left wing militant. PETA is one of the main threats to our hunting and fishing heritage. We can't take these psychos lightly. Bill Anderson, Sarsota, Fl. Bamboo is the Benchmark for flyrods.
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Flyfishingshaman |
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I have to agree with wb...PETA has influence and very deep pockets. Its members also belong to other animal rights orgs that are now becoming very vocal.
This past year the Humane Society joined PETA in its anti-hunting and anti-shooting campaign. These groups were also successful in stopping food banks in
several states fm accepting donations of wild game from extremely well-meaning hunters. They did this by threatening litigation against the food banks. Most
of them operate on a shoe string anyway. In most cases these food banks lost 85-90 % of their available meat because of this. The reason used by these orgs
was that it encouraged people to go out and murder innocent animals as an excuse to do something good.
Closer to home-last year animal rights activists in Germany and Switzerland were successful in getting fishing catch and release regulations abolished and having them replaced with mandatory "CATCH and KILL" regs. In both of these countries every fisherman is required to immediately and "humanely" kill each and every fish that they catch. The way I understand it is that it doesn't matter what size or species it is, if it's caught, it's killed. The whole goal is to end sport fishing plain and simple. |
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scud dog |
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It's a shame! Some of these PETA sympathisers are likely well meaning, yet ignorant. It's tough trying to tell otherwise educated people they're
"missing it". Lots of them are living in large towns and simply don't understand fishing or hunting. Most folks start to get it once you explain
that Pennsylvania's deer herd is estimated at 500,000. If true, there's twice as many deer in the state as there are people in Pittsburgh! It's
also estimated that 40,000 are road killed anually. Deer hits are a big part of the cost of auto insurance.
I also think how people now view their pets adds to the "animals are people too" sentiment we see on the rise. How about that gal that scolded my son for fishing in her dogs swimming hole? You think her poodle has more rights than a human? She does! |
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wb4tjh |
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One of the first things I ever noticed about the PETA members I have known was their penchant to treat animals as if they have human emotions and feelings,
like deep sorrow or joy. They use this "taking care of the poor little darling" approach to stir compassion among their members and to brain wash
them into some really bizarre actions, which can take on violent form in their fervor to "protect the helpless". They can get so worked up over a cat
or dog that I have seen some of them on the verge of doing bodily harm to someone they perceived was mistreating or neglecting an animal. I don't advocate
mistreating animals, but PETA whackoes will go off the deep end in their confrontations with animal owners. This is the same fervor they are now trying to stir
among members and non-members with this asinine "sea kittens" program. They want people to see fish with the same passion as they do their dogs and
cats. I have known some of their vegen members who were even trying to find ways of preventing hawks and eagles from killing other animals for food--these
whackoes want research to be done to find ways of turning carnivores into herbivores. That's how far left of center these maniacs are becoming; they want
to turn lions and tigers into grass eaters. Can you believe such insanity???? These are the same nuts that want to put clothes on dogs and have marriage
cermonies for mated animal pairs. This the kind of maniacal insanity you are dealing with when PETA targets sport fishing, including flyfishing. With PETA,
animals always come first, and people don't count at all. This includes animal medical research in all forms too. We have to get our heads out of our rears
and realize that this nut group can not be reasoned with. There is NO point of view they see as having any revelancy except theirs. They are the single biggest
threat today to our hunting and fishing heritage. So don't take these insane animal rights groups lightly. To put it in today's lingo, they are
conducting Jihad...holy war... against us. Want a prime example of their insanity? A few years ago a group of PETA members was protesting and trying to get
the people of Fishkill, N.Y., to change the name of their town. PETA objected to the name "Fishkill". They finally dropped their campaign when
someone finally informed them that the word "Kill" in the town name was Dutch for "stream". This is the kind of dung brained whackoes you
are dealing with. They are like a crazed mob, with the self-righteous street marching stooges never thinking for themselves, but doing the bidding of the
higher up leaders of the group.
Bill Anderson, Sarsota, Fl. "Bamboo is the Benchmark in flyrods".
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Flyfishingshaman |
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Again wb4tjh is right. PETA anthropomorphizes all animals and feels that they should all be treated as humans and for that reason they are not likely to listen
reasonably to anyone, especially those who hunt and/or fish. We are the enemy no matter what. Many of them are emotionally damaged and while some of them mean
well they have problems with their logical thought processes. Many of them relate better to their pets than they do other human beings for various reasons.
Putting them together with like minded individuals just exacerbates their distorted worldview and it is my feeling that they tend to enable each other.
However, not all of them are so far gone that some minds might be changed.
Wetflyaction also made a good point about the disconnect between those who live their lives in the limited bubble of the city and those who either get out into the wild and away fm the city or live in the country to start with. This isn't anything new. It has, as far as I'm concerned, plagued humans since they severed their connections with nature and settled into cities and towns to begin with. Once people loose this connection they loose a big part of themselves. We've all seen it. People who don't know anything about the food they're eating, where or how it was grown or raised. What goes into producing it, especially the cost. Many of them could take a bite of fish and not tell the difference between farm raised and wild caught. Fish is fish right? The other point is taking someone out to enjoy what nature has to offer. For the rabid PETA person this probably wouldn't work, but for those who just need the education, especially kids, it does work. Even teaching kids to fish in municipal lakes and ponds is a gift. Case in point. My son was listening to one professor of Greek Mythology discuss her problems with the Goddess Artemis not only being the huntress, but protector of the young of all living things. She saw it as an oxymoron. After all one can't be a hunter and a protector at the same time. Hunters kill anything that they can right? IF IT MOVES, SHOOT IT. That was her main concept of hunting. She said she changed her opinion when she had several students who were hunters in one of her classes. They explained to her what hunting was about and how they don't shoot the young; shooting the young means no adults to hunt. So it isn't an oxymoron. Education can happen. It can work. It takes time. My concern is that as hunters and/or fishers do we have this time? |
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Is there a significant body of scientific literature that supports the position that catch and release fishing is bad/detrimental/painful for fish? If so,
I'd like to take a look at it. If not, then a lack of solid evidence may yet be the best tool at hand for successfully dealing those whose projections
(anthrop) and lack of facts form the basis of their arguments/positions.
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Flyfishingshaman |
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While this thread started out that the "wackos" from PETA had another brillant suggestion, it is quite evident as most things are, that there is more
to it than meets the eye. It won't be answered here because there are just too many facets to look at. Some of them have been touched upon by us. Pocono,
you are right in that there is some scientific evidence that supports the position that catch and release may not be a good thing. The question that I have
regarding the scientific evidence for either side (pro and con) is the impartiality of the people conducting the studies. Unfortunately, science, like anything
else can be co-opted and distorted.
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wb4tjh |
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Since you can't win an argument with these animal rights nut groups, as they recognize no opinion but their own, the best/only way to combat them and their
whacko ideas is to keep state and local officials reminded of just how much money hunting and fishing brings into the various states. The old economic
arguments are the absolute best way to combat the "Bambi" crowd. Fortunately, we who enjoy the hunting and fishing sports pay billions each year for
licenses and permits, and many local tourism based economies totally depend on those dollars spent by visiting hunters and fishermen. These fees also are a
major financial part of state and local conservation programs, fisheries programs and game management programs. One thing I see in our favor is that during
this deep recession, state and local economies are even more dependant on outside money coming into the coffers and that puts the ball in our court. PETA and
its like-minded friends have a lot of money at their disposal for advertising and can deluge lawmakers with their demands. But we contribute billions and
billions of dollars and in the end, that will usually sway votes by most state lawmakers, providing we get our message out. That's why supporting TU and
FFF and other groups is so important. Hopefully, in the end common sense and huge the revenue sources we represent will usually trump PETA and other whacko
zealots.
Bill Anderson, Sarsota, Fl. "Bamboo is the Benchmark in flyrods". |
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I like bambi
the rods are never obsolete - the marketing is.
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wb4tjh |
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Amen, brother! I never met a grilled venison critter I didn't like.
Bill Anderson, Sarsota, Fl. "Bamboo is the Benchmark in flyrods". |
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