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scud dog |
Attention Hardy Shoppers! |
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I spotted a British site that's selling new Hardy reels at a discount. The reels are cheaper than they've been in quite some time. The British Pound
seems to be taking a pounding. A few examples; Flyweights are $162.88. Featherweights and LRHs are $189.04. Cascapedias starting
at $252.47. Bougle MKVI; $276.51. Shipping to the US...$14.47. It's a large shop with tons of items... Think these are English made reels or from the
Pacific rim?
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bulldog1935 |
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I've been shopping Harris for years. I bought my Bougle MkIV on closeout there four or five years ago for $230.
Yes, the pound is under $1.50 now, making the deals very good. If you go to the upper right and set it to US and American dollars it shows you the prices without the 17.5% VAT that the EU pays.
the rods are never obsolete - the marketing is.
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Raybow |
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If thats a 17.5% tax then thats a rapping and at the best rediculous. My wife is third generation Sweede and from what I've heard their tax rate is 80% of
their total income. Sure the low prices on these reels are great for us over here but I wonder if the tradesman is getting a fair shake? The cost of producing
the reels havn't changed, so who or what is making the sacrifice? It comes from somwhere.
Ray................. |
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Spencer DT |
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I am pretty sure that it is costs less to produce these reels in Korea vs England, why else would they move production?
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Raybow |
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Spencer, I agree.... I wouldn't want an English reel built in any country but England. If I was to buy a reel built in an impovrished slave laybored
country then thats what I would buy. Every chance I get I will buy from an Democratic Nation. I do not support the others when I know where the products are
made. Yes, I know nearly everything my family buys from walyland is manufactured in other countries. I just try to see where the product is from. I'm sorry
that I have changed the subject of the thread. I come from being employed by the biggest and oldest manufacture and design of computers to be sold to
production over in slaveland.
Ray................. |
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Spencer DT |
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I agree with you in principle but for those who could not afford to purchase this reel when produced in England, now is the time to buy. I am torn on this
issue, I purchase about 50/50 made in the U.S. etc vs far east purchases. I have to carefully weigh the cost vs. benefit with each purchase. The fact is most
of my purchases are on the used market so I am not sure how that impacts things. I definitely appreciate your opinion on this issue though, there is
definitely quality items being produced in other countries and the fact is I don't lean more towards England vs Korea. Korea is kind of a generic term, I
would assume south Korea which is in fact a democracy.
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scud dog |
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Ray,
Rocktheif says the reels are from Korea. The Republic of Korea (S. Korea) is a democracy. By the way...what's the difference if something's made in Korea by an American owned company vs. made in Korea by a British owned entity? Folks that own those "American" companies took our jobs and sent them abroad to make more money and dodge paying taxes. That's hardly patriotic. Why do they deserve OUR loyalty?
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Remember, we are about fiberglass fly rods. Somehow, I don't think we will solve the dilemmas of labor outsourcing, European value added tax, or trade
deficits. Please keep the discussion more about the reels than the politics.
I have one Hardy reel, a Lightweight LRH. It was purchased for about $125-ish twenty years ago. If you factor in inflation, etc., that Harris $189 price tag is a significant price drop. No matter how you look at it, these are Hardy designed and made. Sure, the main shop isn't in Alnwick anymore, but all indication are this shop makes reels just as fine. Does a Korean made Hardy reel have the collector's value of an English made reel? Only time will tell. In the meantime, that's an attractive price for arguably one of the all time best fly reel designs. Tom |
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Now, if the website would only offer deeply discounted Hardy glass rods?!
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Raybow |
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Sorry Tom, that was my fault. Being duped by corporate America 3 times gets me worked up.
Ray........... |
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I've wanted a Hardy Lightweight for quite awhile and these Korean made Hardys and the price that comes with them is tempting. Very Tempting. But after
thinking about it awhile I've decided not to buy one. The way I see it is if I spend my hard earned money on a Korean Hardy then I'm not buying the
Abel or the Islander reel that I want. At least not this year. Multiply that by the hundreds or thousands of other fly fisherman who decide to buy a Korean
Hardy instead of an Abel and pretty soon we're going to see either the north American reel makers go out of business or shift production to the far east.
And that would be a sad loss for the fly fishing community as a whole. I like the fact that Abel, Galvin, Tioga, Islander, and other companies make reels by
fisherman for fisherman. That means something to me and I'm willing to pay extra for it. I'm no expert on these things but I think if we're not
careful where we spend our fishing gear dollars we're going to be left with reels mostly made in Asia and a few high end makers here in North America like
Saracione and Bellinger.
I realize of course that a Hardy made in England is an import and that the North American reel makers have to compete against them also. But it's one thing competing against reels made in countries where the work is done by people earning wages similar to their North American couterparts and quite another who earns much much less than employees in developed countries. Although Korea is certainly a devoloped country the average annual income there is (World Bank '07 statistics) $24,700 as opposed to the U.S.A $46,040 and the UK $42,740. Certainly less expensive to have reels built in Korea than England or the U.S.A. If Hardy really wanted to maximize their profits they could have moved manufacturing to China where the average annual income is $2360. I should make it clear that this isn't a personal bias against Asian made products. One of these days I'd love to buy a Japanese made fiberglass rod and I won't worry too much about it when I do. The average annual income in Japan is $37,670 so making a glass rod there cost comapareable to what it does here in the U.S. From what I've heard from guys on this forum who own and fish Japanese glass these rods are excellent fishing tools and beautifully made. I understand some of the fiberglass rods made in Japan are hand rolled by fisherman for fisherman and I'm a huge fan of that. In fact I love the idea of a guy in Japan rolling the perfect glass blank for Yamame and me fishing that blank on a cold brook trout stream deep in the woods surrounded by the beauty of Maine. I suspect that the guy in Japan who rolled that blank would get a kick out of it too; imagining me knee deep in icy water casting dry flies to beautiful Brook Trout. Mark |
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I received my Korean-made Cascapedia 2/3/4 today (same size as a Godfrey 274W). Amazing to get it home for $270. (took 3 weeks to get it here, Ray)
It's replacing my Kussee Leonard-Mills in my line-up, and I'm trading that reel to Floyd Burkett, who's building me a cane rod. (I'm very happy with that trade.) It arrived LHW, so I had to take it down to flip the pawls (it has the same check as the Sunbeam and JLH Ultralight). While the design and manufacturing tolerances were impeccable, there were a few loose aluminum chips inside - less than impeccable. So I gave it a disassembly cleaning with Boeshield, wiped it all down, lubed and reassembled. Very happy with the purchase, but that's the kind of attention-to-detail that would not be a problem with a British-made reel. You can also be sure that British assembly labor would be slower (for a reason) and cost ten-time what the Korean labor costs.
the rods are never obsolete - the marketing is.
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scud dog |
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You couldn't touch a USED Cascapedia for that price a year ago. I'm glad for you Ron. Fish it in good health!
Mark, IMO, Abels are the best quality mass production reel available. That said, it's nice to always have a few Hardys, Islanders, Ross, Galvans etc. on hand. You never know which reel you'll need with that new rod build! I'll bookmark the Harris site for sure. I've always kinda wanted a Bougle... Doc, Harris Sports has a link for asking them questions. I asked if they'll be carrying the Hardy glass. I few more folk asking may not hurt... Ray, Don't feel bad. I'm guilty of going "political" too. That said, folks wanting something good for cheap is universal. The sacks for the Japanese Fenwick rods say "Made in China". They're great rods. Lets hope the Korean Hardys are good too.
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gypsy wrote:Mark, PM sent re" a couple of Hardys from England |
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Tom,
I've been thinking about the Cascapedia 2/3/4 reel as well. Click-check, right? Can you post a pic of the internals at some point? At 6 oz., I'm curious what rod you're going to mate it with? I'm wondering if the reel would accommodate a 5 or 6 wt line? This may be the only time in which a reel is too heavy to balance any of my glass or bamboo rods?! |
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bulldog1935 |
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The 2/3/4 will take a DT5 with a base wrap of backing -- the spool size is a twin of the Godfrey 274W.
It looks like a better choice for a 5-wt. than the 5/6/7 reel. I put about 80yds. backing to load a T130, but that's a pretty small line - about 1/8" on that wide spool. It weighs about the same as my 3" Bougle MkIV, and was a perfect balance on a 4-oz. 8' cane rod. The check is the same as the JLH Ultralite. I took it apart to convert it from WHW to RHW, and was getting ready to fish, so I didn't set up the camera. One of the smoothest click-pawls I've ever handled. And yes, when this reel was made in England, they wanted $975 for it.
the rods are never obsolete - the marketing is.
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bulldog,
I was thinking the Cascapedia 2/3/4 (@ 6 oz) would probably mate well with a 4 oz.-ish glass or bamboo rod as well. $975 (English) vs. $$270 (Korean) . . . let me think about that for a while . . . ok, I've thought about it. |
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Frank Longcast |
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I stopped by the Hardy booth for a first-hand look when I was at the Flyfishing show out here in MA last week. They indeed are beautifully crafted reels.
Whether the dollars strength against the pound is an illusion or not they just became even more affordable after the inauguration. I might just be able to
afford one yet.
As far as English or Korean made, for me its simple, if it appeals on some level - function, design, craftsmanship, color, history, etc... - that's good enough. My willingness to buy a reel made in Korea in no way interferes with my desire to buy a reel made in the States. The fact of the matter is, the horse has already left the stable. A large number of people who fish in this country already can't afford a well made reel that is built in the States. |
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bulldog1935 |
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OK, here it is.
I had a friend over tonight - Floyd Burkett, building me a rod - OK, a cane rod. I was showing him reels and the tippet ended up behind the spool, so it had to come apart, anyway. The adjustable check
the rods are never obsolete - the marketing is.
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Frank Longcast |
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Thanks for the pics Ron. When I picked one up at the Fly Fishing Show, I instinctively turned it over a couple a times looking for the release and the gent
behind the table informed me I needed to remove the five screws. Drats!
Now I get to see. In response to your earlier comment, that reel sure looks photogenic now. Without going out back and looking through my reels, isn't that the same or similar check as the later Sunbeams as well? |
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