I recently aquired referenced rod and am curious how it compares to other Garcia rods, such as the 2400 or 2500 series rods. It's a real nice 7wt with a definite tip action, I really like it.
Thanks in advance;
Waynebh
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waynebh |
Garcia Conlon 8237 D 8' 3 star green |
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Hi All;
I recently aquired referenced rod and am curious how it compares to other Garcia rods, such as the 2400 or 2500 series rods. It's a real nice 7wt with a definite tip action, I really like it. Thanks in advance; Waynebh |
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I don't know about your specific rod, but my 8.5' 2026D is definitely not a rod that loads from the tip. It's a more full-flexing design, very
deliberate and powerful. Almost identical to the 7' Wulff I've just been casting. My 2535C is more a tip loading rod with a very sturdy bottom end.
And my 2406B is also a fast rod, loading in the top third. Very powerful, but still a 6wt in my hands.
One thing I know is that Garcia cannot be labled with a "house" action. Their rods are all over the place. Joe C. "Live each season as it passes; breathe the air, drink the
drink, taste the fruit,
- Henry David Thoreau
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Wayne,
First it was Procrest rods, now you and I are checking out Garcia Conolon. Strange parallel paths. I just picked up a green 8237-A 3 star. not as nice as yours, though. Somebody put clear nail polish on some of the wraps to stop them fron unraveling, and the stripper is bent a little. Very fishable, though. Mine is rated "#6 & 7" and throws a WF 6 nicely. Wonder what the difference is between the A and the D Models? The 8.5 7 weight I picked up is nice and light for a glass rod. I have an 8.5 8 weight on the way. No more. Got to stop. Unless I find a 5 W!!!!! AAAAHHHH! Cool thing about the colors. I now have a blue, a green, and a gold on the way. Did they make anything in red, to round it out?? fish more, fish more often. Wacokid54 "You ain't the Waco Kid. He had the fastest hands in the west" "Well raise my rent! You are de Kid" Clevon Little as Sheriff Bart |
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They do make sort of a dark red rod too, so look out!!
Haven't heard from Richard (FFFGT) lately, he could really give you the details.. Keith |
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waynebh |
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JoeC: thanks for the info, I didn't know Garcia-Conlons had varying actions! Now I have to compare the action of this rod to my Andy 2071.
Wacokid: As far as procrests and Garcias, we must think alike! My rod is in good to fair condition, it has numerous chips in finish and the 2nd guide from the tip is a little bent. It looks like it was well used but it still fishes great! It fishes well for me with a wf7. Also it takes a bit of weight in the reel to balance it, I first used an automatic on it but did the lead core line thing yesterday evening with a Martin 67ss, the reel lokks good on the rod. Now on to blue, gold and brown Garcias! Majiwrench: You had to point out the reddish colr didn't you! Now the Wacokid and I have another obsession! Now if we could just get Richard(flyfishingforlodentrout) to give us another Garcia lesson! I noticed he hasn't been online for a while, hopefully he's fishing! Thanks all; Wayneb |
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I tried a six first, probably because I wanted it to BE a six, for trout. I guess I gotta try a seven. Hopefully it swings both ways. Now I need a green
reel!
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Hi Guys, sorry Ive been trying to catch up on computer problems from last winters numerous power outages, I have two computers an older tower and a laptop,
both ended up with dead hard drives and on the tower a dead power supply so just getting back online (laptop but its gotta go back) so am not on as much as
normal.
Anyway to your questions. The Green series goes back to pre Garcia, its always been a budget priced rod. So saying, my personal guess is that the actual blank is the same all the way into the 4 star brown series. Just the finishing details are upgraded. A very fishable rod for sure. I had one of them that I called back a couple of years ago when I offered it in a forum funds raiser as the poor mans Lee Wulff rod. A great blank only suffering from lack of enough guides and really good guide placement. A great rod to rebuild with proper guide placement and you could replace the ferrule with either a better one (featherweight sizematic) or even better fabricate an internal glass spigot ferrule. this rod offers alot in that the blank if undamaged is the same as some of their best rods. Conolon I think used alot of Rush Peaks early glass mandrel designs (he used to share them with Conolon and made his early glass rods in their Santa Ana Factory) and Ive comparied the Rush Peak Conolon rods I have with some of the best that Conolon offered (Lee Wulff and 4-5 star series) and am pretty sure the mandrels and tapers are the same. These are not the same as the brown and below, but still those are great tapers too. Just a little heavier and sometimes a bit tip heavy. Remember they were using alot heavier reels and such back then. Still the green series from my experence produces a better rod with better guide placement, especially if you change them to internal glass spigot ferrules. The blank iteself for the home rod maker is a great one to tinker into a world class rod. Letter codes pretty much started with a suffex of T then moved to the letters C-D, the D's being my favorites with geniune Elgine Agate stripping guides. the A's came much much later when the rods were considered (graphite era) less desireable so many cost cutting measures came into play. Sorry no Reds although there were some early on Marron/wine colored rods in the Custom series, top of the line that get a couple of bucks today. The ones you guys want to watch for are at least in the early rods the gold and brown series, although as soon as you see a gold one your gonna be looking at $100 in a 6wt, they are IMHO at least the post 1970 ones on the same blanks as the Custom Lee Wulff rods. Those blanks or at least those same tapers continued into the late 70s and early 80s into some of the finest Conolon rods ever produced.As such the 2400 series and those that followed are the most in demand by Conolon users and colletors. Richard |
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Thanks for all the info Oh Wise One! I just took a closer look at the 2405 T that the mailman brought this week. It has an agate stripper. I suspect it went
cheap because it is an 8 weight. Sure is a beauty of a gold colored rod. Can't wait to fish it.
Thanks again, Richard wacokid54 |
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Hi WK,
Well the 2405T ( I have two both the first model with machined brass ferrule and the later featherweigth sizematic ferrule) are on older Namrco Conolon mandrels and tapers. On the plus they are fantastic heavy Bass tapers and Salmon Steelhead rods for big heavy sinking flys and heavy lines in swift waters. The 8wt you have will easily handle a modern 10wt bass taper. Its a big well made heavy rod that was designed around an 8wt double taper, so you can easily go up several line weights for sinking lines and WF lines. I really like it and place it in my collection right next to my Fenwick heavy rods and my W&M double Grangers, its really alot heavier rod today than its original rating. Richard |
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Hi Richard;
Interesting information, I would have thought that since this rod was of the 8200 series it was a later model than the 2400 or 2500 series. Do I understand you correctly that the 8237 D was made by Conlon prior to Garcia's involvement? And taking that presumption further the 2400 & 2500 series rods were produced during the Garcia era? Also, interesting comments about guide spacing, I find the guide spacing to be fairly adequate as is I can't imagine how this rod would behave with your suggested modifications. I may just have to pick up another one either in better shape to leave as is or one that's in wourse shape than mine to modify. Your knowledge of the Garcia-Conlon rods is amazing, ever thought of writing a book about them? I for one and I suspect others at this site would definetly buy it! Thanks again for sharing the Garcia-Conlon information; Waynebh |
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Hi, nopers Waynebh,
The 8237 D was made and catalogued for 1977 by Garcia and made by Conolon (should say made in the USA on the blank)(Garcia dropped the Conolon decal at this point). At 8ft your rod was rated for 6wt lines and Im guessing it was built on the same blank (same mandrel) as the 2400 series of earlier rods. That particular rod was amoung the best tapers they had and I suspect that it was one of the tapers that Russ Peak allowed Conolon to copy during his agreement with them so he could use their new oven to produce his "Brownstone" series of fiberglass fly rods. By 1977 I suspect conolon had alot of the fiberglass blanks in the shop with the older style heavy glass reinforsed ferruling station, I notice in the 1977 catalogue they mention that station as well. The 2400 and 2000 series rods both at 6wt use the same blanks as yours. The 2500 series the old brown rods used an earlier mandrel and taper based back to the days before Garcia bought Conolon from Narmco (Mid 1961), its a slightly heavier blank and was used on many of the brown, green and blue series of rods made from 1961-1980. The Avacado green series rod 8238 D at 8 1/2ft and 8-9wt is based one one of the early Narmco Conolon tapers, as well. Likewise from 1977 the blue series 6wts 2636 & 2637 were based on leftover 2400 series blanks, the heavier 7wt 2638 on leftover 2500 blanks and the 2639 8wt was based on the same blank as the above mentioned 8238, again a leftover blank from the old brown series. When Garcia finally closed down the Conolon plant in Santa Ana in 1982 and took the Conolon name overseas they left quite alot of blanks in storage before they tore down the building. Richard |
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