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glassbender |
Alternatives to Dacron/Gel backing |
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Are there any alternatives to using Dacron or Gel backin on fly reels?
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flyflingerandy1 |
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Yes, Tuf Line XP in 50# test is roughly 10# diameter. Great for high capacity and strength!
Andy |
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jgestar |
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Gel spun polyethylene (the various super braids) does not have the issues with stretching like monofilament. Some anglers are using it to maximize the
capacity of their salt water fly reels. But gel spun's amazing thinness can cause issues too. It is reputed to cause nasty cuts if you pull on it. One
of the Tuf Line braids (XP?) combines nylon braid and gel spun to make a line with a little larger diameter than straight super braid, but the same reduced
stretch. That would probably be preferable on a fly reel if you really need to increase capacity.
The old standby is 20 lb braided Dacron. Almost every old reel I purchase is spooled with it. I prefer 30 lb Dacron because it is softer to handle and has less tendency to dig into the previous layers of line. It's easier to splice loops in 30 lb also. I think Bulldog likes a braided nylon icefishing line. It also has a larger diameter so it is softer and easy to handle. You get less of these backing materials on the reel, but how often do you really need 100+ yards of backing when you are fishing freshwater? Tom |
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Cornmuse |
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As an aside, I've been purchasing Dacron trolling line instead of the Dacron sold as fly line backing for years. It's about half the price - typically
$15 for 300 yards at Bass Pro. Like Tom, I prefer 30lb and I get it in fluorescent orange or chartreuse - when I'm into my backing I want EVERYONE to be
able to see!
Also, since you mention "alternatives" - if you don't want to use as much backing you can always build up the arbor of the spool using cork tape - one layer will eliminate the need for quite a bit of backing. I ended up doing this when I was fishing a Pflueger 1498 on a bass rod - no need for 200 plus yards of backing on a rig that will never see the full length of fly line out of the rod tip! Joe C. "Live each season as it passes; breathe the air, drink the
drink, taste the fruit,
- Henry David Thoreau
Last Edited By: Cornmuse
07/21/08 04:29:38.
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pearow |
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You know, back years ago when i fished with a casting rod they made plastic "do-dads" that fit around the spool and eliminated the need for 200+yards
of mono, so you could fill your reel with a 110 yard package of mono. It would be cool if someone invented the same thing for some of the more common reels.
You do not need 200+ yards of backing on a bass reel or a brim reel and i dont know of any fish in the lower 48 that could take 150-200 yards of backing. But,
if they made the little snap on plastic things to put on the reel it would be a great $$$ saver--p-
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flyflingerandy1 |
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Gene, on a 3wt a big carp could take 200 yards easily if he had room to run!
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jgestar |
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Gene,
I made some spool arbors out of cork rod building rings. With a little custom sanding, the approach should work for almost any fly reel. I posted pictures a while back. By the way, my trick of using superglue to firm up the click gear on the old Pflueger Trump didn't stand up to the test of time. Tom |
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keebranch |
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Tom,
That's a neat trick with adding cork inserts to your trumps, and given the price the trump is indeed a heck of a value. As for the Orvis lines, I'm still in the dark on the how to's for weighing them. Can you explain the process and what type of scale is needed? Thanks, Les |
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Bud |
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Les...Umpqua makes a user friendly line scale.....you can probably find one online...
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pearow |
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Tom; way to go; never thought of that. I have some big holed cork i bought on sale(my mistake); like 1-1/4 od and 3/4 id, which might work on a few reels;
i'll give it a try. Thanks for sharing that; i've never had an original thought-p-
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jgestar |
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P,
I wish I could claim it as an original idea, but it just ain't so. I was realizing how much backing I would need to fill 4 Pflueger Trump reels when I looked at an eBay auction for a Pflueger baitcaster. Along with the reel, the seller was offering the cork equivalent of the plastic "do dad" you mentioned. At first glance, I thought the thing in the auction WAS cork rod building rings. I tried it and it worked. Les, I posted about weighing fly lines awhile back, but my process is a pain. I'm going to try out the Umpqua scale as soon as I can ahold of one. I think that will be a "close enough" way to measure lines. To be honest, on one level exact knowledge of the line weight isn't as important as liking the way that particular line casts on that particular rod. But on the other hand, I get annoyed when some guy casting a 5 weight line with a 6 weight rod brags about his "awesome 4 weight outfit". Most all of my old fly lines fit the line weight standards exactly. Very few of my new lines are even close. Phooey. Tom |
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Erik Osterby |
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Regarding scales, you can get digital electronic scales off of the internet auction site cheap. I've got one that goes up to 100 grams and i think with
shipping I paid less than $ 15. It's great for weighing lines, guides etc..
Erik |
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LukeandParker |
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I'll second the suggestion for braided ice fishing line. It comes in 15, 25, and 30lb test, and 100yrd spools, for less than $3.00. Given it's larger
diamater that's enough to do a couple of reels at least. The black colour is most common, but I have seen some green coloured line if that is a concern to
you...living up here in Ontario, ice fishing line is sold EVERYWHERE!
Chad. |
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