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 sailsandiego |
Lee Wulff 6' One Piece/ 1.7 oz. / 2070 Garcia Conolon / *Mint* |
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Sport
Posts: 6 (03/15/08 14:32:39) |
Another incredible fly rod under the Prolific Lee Wulff brand. This is an original unused and mint rod with original tube and bag. As stated in a prior post, I
aim to slowly sell off the remaining portions of what at one time was quite a collection. I would really like some advice as to the market values of these
rods as I have been out of the market for several years. Any advice or insight would be really appreciated, gentlemen.
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Guide
Posts: 18 (03/15/08 17:00:38) |
I'm not sure what this rod is worth as there hasn't been one on Ebay in a while. I am very interested in the rod and If you have a number in mind,
please send me a pm or email
Thanks Paul paul@cponsite.net |
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Master Guide
Posts: 580 (03/15/08 17:11:36) Master Guide |
I am sure the best appraisal could be given by Flyfish4goldentrout (Richard)
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Master Guide
Posts: 1363 (03/15/08 22:02:49) Master Guide |
Hi, nice rod, looks like a pretty clean example. I see you have the correct sock and tube as well. I purchased an excellent used one a while back, production
model like yours, from 1970 when they still had serial numbers on each rod. I will tell you honestly, the rod had a reel mounted just eactly once on it for
weight and fit, however it left the foot impression very lightly into the cork, you can see it in the pictures farther back in the photo section. Any such mark
takes a rod from mint to excellent used in my book. I did pay over $300 for mine, but careful examination needs to be made if your looking for prime money. The
stainless steel male ferrule should not have left one mark into the female nor should there be any mark or abrasion upon any part of the rod to bring the very
best "Mint" prices which can be quite substanstually above that $300 plus I paid. If the rod doesn't have the individual serial number then it
was made after 1970 perhaps even as late as 1973 and they were a little less carefull in final finish and depending on any flaws in the wraps etc that can
effect value. The tube has some handling marks, not a negative for an Excellent condition rod but would be for a minty one.
If your interested in selling the rod I would suggust closeups of each guide and wrap, the overal decalling at each roll, and closups of both pieces of the ferruling. As well closeups of the overall grip and seat and then very closeup pic of the actual seat showing the presence of or absense of any foot imprint. As well a detailed closeup of any defect or damage scratch etc. I just sold a nice little Phillipson on Ebay with 16 detailed pictures as Excellent Used condition, just because it wasn't "Perfect" I got a fair price for it but IMHO under what I would have had I tried to "slide it under the radar" as mint. Your rod is quite collectable and desired by many here on the board, so I would highly suggest you set your price and try it here first you can at least save yourself some Ebay fee's if you know what you want for it. Sense I have two of this model already Im not in the market so you can accept I have no "fires to burn" in my comments, its a fine rod, great to see one turn up again. Richard |
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Master Guide
Posts: 954 (03/16/08 07:21:13) Rod Builder Deluxe and 1st eBay Oracle |
Hello
Hello I have seen these rods sell in excess of $700.00 and many of our members have as well in good condition not unfished mint condition.I must add ! I have had offers for my original Wullf 2070 in excess of $700.00 as well. That was well over a year ago ! Richard got his rod on the cheap the average price has been is around $500.00 I wouldn't offer the rod for any less. Also I would offer it on eBay where it can have the maximum exposure the rod deserves. You can give the folks here the heads up that you have the rod listed on eBay but just offering it here would be a very big costly mistake in my opinion. Make sure when you offer the rod that you offer it world wide it will increase your bottom line considerably . I have sold my Presentation Series Old Yankee Rod Smith Original Wulff Replicas built on the original 2070 Blanks that have NO Ferrule Flagg I might Add in excess of $500.00 . These Garcia Wullf Series rods are very rare do not let it go unless you can get what it's worth . If fact the 2070 5.5 ' and 6 footer are the only rods of the Wulff series that are unique and built on there own blank with its own unique taper the rest of the rods offered in theWulff series are all built with Standard Master Garcia Blanks and you get the same action form them as you have with the 4 and 5 star models in the same appropriate lengths. The short 5,5 footer is very rare and didn't really make much of an impression on the public just too short for most folks. I see you have a little Phillipson Midge this is a very rare offering from Phillipson as well and should go in excess of $700.00 as well . Remember to make sure when you offer these rods offer them world wide it will increase your bottom line considerably . I love my original Wulff 2070 so much it lead me to dedicate a couple years of my life doing my best to offer the 2070 replica rods to the public at very reasonable price so others could enjoy the magic they poses as a SERVICE to my fellow fly fiberglass fisherman. Peoples Greed, Jealousy.Egos and Lies ruined the project and caused me to change my outlook of my fellow man forever. Good Luck with the Sale ! Tight Lines and Wulff Loops Andy M "FISH AND VISITORS STINK AFTER 3 DAYS" THE GUY THAT SAID MONEY CAN'T BUY YOU HAPPINESS NEVER BOUGHT A FLY ROD FROM ME ! "http://OLD-YANKEE.u.yuku.com/?referredby=OL
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Master Guide
Posts: 160 (03/16/08 07:22:54) Guide |
Beauty...!
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Posts: 142 (03/16/08 08:23:45) Guide |
You know come to think of it Joe, that may have been my Lee Wulff I traded to you for a few old glass rods years ago. Jay
It's a real cool rod, but as I recall I wasn't crazy about its action, way too fast to fish our tiny brookie streams, almost needing a 6 wt line for me. |
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Posts: 2060 (03/16/08 13:09:38) ezOP |
Ah, the Lee Wulff, Conolon 2070. As you can see, this is a controversial and interesting rod. Both flyfishing4goldentrout and Andymanyankee are very
knowledgeable about Wulff fly rods. They both own them and they both fish with them. Yet, they've given estimates that differ over twofold. And both of them are right! A highly collectible fly rod is heavily influenced by the market conditions at the time of
sale. This is best described in McKeown's Camera Price Guide (the bible for camera collectors): "The price of a [collectible] is entirely dependent upon the moods of the buyer and seller at the time of the transaction." The Wulff rods
are highly sought collectibles that inspire sever acquisition lust.
That said, again you have a seriously beautiful fishing rod. The finish on the guides is top shelf. The label is intact. The cork is great. The tube and bag are original. I have a 7½ foot, non-serial numbered, mint condition Wulff 2073, and the finish quality on your rod is far better. It would be very hard to find a 6 foot Wulff in better, more collectible condition. A couple of years ago, I had never handled a Wulff rod. A wedding brought me to Connecticut, where I met with Andy to fish the Farmington River. When I arrived, I stopped for a license and in the shop corner was a 2070 Lee Wulff rod. I was fascinated. The counter guy said "it's the owner's, not for sale". The next day I got to fish with Andy's 2070. I liked the rod with a DT5 line. It casts nicely and drops a fly gently. It was a tough day, but Andy with his Wulff caught more fish than everyone else combined (it wasn't just the rod - Andy can flat out fish!). What a peacock of a rod! They are even prettier than the pictures show. To be honest, if I picked only for fishing qualities, I would choose the 6'6" Epoxite. But Phillipsons are, well..., plain looking. If I wanted a great rod with jealousy inducing style, I would choose the Wulff. Unlike the Phillipsons from Rick's Rods, original Lee Wulff rods in all their colorful glory are only found on the secondary market. The price for this rod is more volatile than the others you have. Historically, now is the best time of year to offer it for sale. I hope you have protected yourself with a high reserve price ($500+) on eBay. If the rod doesn't sell this year, don't panic. Wait and try again next year. Waiting for the right buyer will be worth it. Tom |
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Master Guide
Posts: 1370 (03/16/08 14:42:49) Master Guide |
You guys may be right, I always was a bargain hunter, however he will have to figure out shipping overseas by some other method, the USPS has new limits which
a 6ft rod will not fit into, see below
Please note for International Buyers, this rod will be shipped in a tube to comply with postal regulations for International Priority Mail, the PVC shipping tube is 56 inches by 3 inches and complies with USPS Code 235.22 235.2 Size Limits 235.21 Rectangular Parcels Minimum length and width: 5-1/2 inches x 3-1/2 inches. Maximum length: 42 inches. Maximum length and girth combined: 79 inches. 235.22 Circular Parcels Maximum girth (measured along diameter): 64 inches. Circular Parcels refers to both barrels and drums, cans and yes shipping tubes. Thats a direct copy from the current USPS codes, while other shippers might take longer parcels, I know in shipping to the guys in Malaysia that if it fits under the guidlines it ranges from around $25 insured for one rod to around $45 for several in the same tube, however I checked on one I was selling for a prospective buyer in Europe and their maximum limit was the 42 inch rule and his rod would have been over $150 shipping, insured. So perhaps this nice Conolon will stay in the States, the difference in shipping being enough to let a domestic buyer win. Or better yet a board member. I like mine with my favorite 6wt Bass taper (really a 6.5wt) but then I have the shorter 5 1/2ft rod to play with too which I like with a 5wt. Just hope the rod goes to someone who's gonna fish it, I have mine, these rods are made to be fished not hidden in a closet. Richard |
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Sport
Posts: 15 (03/16/08 16:41:40) |
Tom and Richard...
Thanks for the insightful and thoughtful comments, and Richard thanks for the heads-up on international shipping. I have a PVC tube already prepped and will set out to figure out the ship rates internationally or to identify a carrier that is up to the charge that won't bankrupt a buyer. It will be interesting to see how the ebay auction goes. Thanks again. Best, JB |
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Master Guide
Posts: 415 (03/16/08 17:07:10) Master Guide |
JB, Richard is right about shipping. I tried to send a 10' 2pc rod to england and found that usps would not ship the rod. It is actually not usps but the
country you are sending it to. They all have different maximum lengths. I ended up sending it DSL because they beat ups and fed ex by a bit. Actually usps I
beleive will send the rod with its global priority express , or something like that, that is subcontracted by fed ex. Make international buyers aware of the
high shipping cost because it is a shock when you tel them. Just my experience,
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Posts: 1372 (03/16/08 17:35:56) Master Guide |
Hi Joe, Yea a pain, the regulations have changed three times sense the end of last year when the USPS adopted first the domestic priority mail as guidelines for international shipments. I got away with a couple of 73 in X 3 in tubes back then, it was still under the then domestic size of a 79 inch combined. Then in January they changed again to a uniform tube rectangular 42 inch length and 64 inch tube rule. Sense they have compartmented off great sections of the world, Japan being one of them and Europe another where there are still more restrictive rules. Thus far Im still shipping via the 64 inch tube rule to the members in Malaysia, however for European countries in the Common Market there are quite restrictive rules now down to the 42 inch total length limit and Japan has its own new limits too. As far as other international carriers, a word here, I wouldn't ship a broken rod to the dump internationally via UPS thats been a good description of their ability to deliver for me. So far the best has been FedEx, Ive shipped all over the world and never had anything well packaged get broken or lost, but do check their specific parcel size rates, it tends to get exspensive. Sense the USPS dumped the international Parcel Post (slow boat) and international air mail parcel post rates into the single service International Priority Mail group, the rest of the carriers that were competing against the economy rates have done likewise. Wonder if they are serving dinner and drinks to the parcels now, that are traveling first class. Richard ps, the USPS International Express rate is staggering!!!
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Sport
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Master Guide
Posts: 1376 (03/17/08 17:55:52) Master Guide |
Thanks for the heads up, I know several members here would really like an original 6ft wulff. Yours appears to have a better finish on the wraps, indicating a
1970 (serial number) or 1971 vintage, does yours have the serial number Joe? While it doesn't mean a great deal of difference except to a collector
who's looking for the warrantee card serial numbered to the rod, never the less if its got the serial number seems to bring a slight premium. Oh, I know I
read some scuttlebutt about line rates. Garcia and Wulff both felt the optimum line rate was 7wt. While of course anyone can cast anything they want with one,
I will relate a little from an older guy who doesn't like a sore arm every night ( Im retired, 8 years now and fish almost every fishable day, if its not
snowing or the wifey doesnt have honey do's) anyway I have switched almost entirely to glass now, from graphite, to slow glass and enjoy the heavier lines
the rods were rated for. Simply put, I can cast all day with my Wulff with an original TT7wt floating or a 6wt float bass taper without effort, slow, simple
easy casts that load the rod and I can cast accurately 50-60ft with no problems. While its true alot of the young lions can cast a broom stick (just like wulff
did) I cannot, fly rod cannons are for the kids, I like to fish, I think perhaps Conolon and Wulff had that in mind when they came up with the Wulff series.
While Im missing only one rod in the series, I find that each and every one, from an older mans standpoint is accurately rated, for a glass rod. They are
entirely different than the graphite fly rods I fished for decades. My arm is also way glad I switched back to slow and sweet glass. Its a heck of a lot easier
to get within 50 or 60 feet or less, I like 25-30 feet even better than it is to try and cast across the Potomic River. They are sweet rods, I know, and I will
never sell any of mine. In fact i have duplicates of my favorites so I can fish the used ones and keep the minty ones just in case I bust one. Richard
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Master Guide
Posts: 977 (03/30/08 18:20:13) Rod Builder Deluxe and 1st eBay Oracle |
Hello
Well it went for a good coin as it should. I hope one of you all got it. Tight Lines and $500.00 Loops Andy M "FISH AND VISITORS STINK AFTER 3 DAYS" THE GUY THAT SAID MONEY CAN'T BUY YOU HAPPINESS NEVER BOUGHT A FLY ROD FROM ME ! "http://OLD-YANKEE.u.yuku.com/?referredby=OL |
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Posts: 48 (04/01/08 15:18:36) Sport |
Just caught your comment that Express mail shipping cost is staggering. I have shipped all my rods to international locations via Express mail shipping and
find it very dependable and the cost always right around $40. I really don't think that is staggering. Are you getting a better rate than that with Fedex.
I have a Fedex account and have never thought to check to see if they have something cheaper.
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Guide
Posts: 49 (04/01/08 15:28:00) Sport |
I checked just now and a Fedex package typical of what I ship to the UK for $44 will cost $94.
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Master Guide
Posts: 623 (04/01/08 16:39:56) Master Guide |
I checked just now and a Fedex package typical of what I ship to the UK for $44 will cost $94.Maybe what Richard is referring to is shipping a 6ft one piece rod as opposed to a small multi piece rod. |
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