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        <title>A big complaint I wanted to vent about orvis </title>
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        <![CDATA[ For a company that claims to be environmental they sure send an awful lot of paper my way.  I have received at least 6 catalogs from them since december and
they are all their flyfishing catalog.  I do not even by anything from them aside from a few spare parts for their old reels.  The catalogs have different
pictures on the front but the stuff inside is all the same.  I do not know if it is printed on recycled paper but it uses a lot of fuel and I am sure most of
it ends up in a landfill... ]]>
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			<title><![CDATA[ Re: A big complaint I wanted to vent about orvis  ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ I was at my local Orvis shop this evening, and noticed that the shop is for sale. I inquired in the asking price, etc...cost of stock and monthly rent. That is
all they are asking. This is not your ORVIS store with pet beds, this is just a fly shop that has always treated people well. The owner is in sad physical
shape and needs to unload it.
<br>
<br>
That has nothing to do with this post, but honestly, I think that if a company wants to send catalogs, realize that the cost of that catalog... ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 22:28:48 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[ Joe,
<br>
I mut have done something to make Sierra&#39;s catalogs stop coming (although I get a daily message in my junk e-mail folder). But I can&#39;t tell you what it
was. I agree though, they cut down a lot of trees to mail me catalogs over the years.
<br>
Bob ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:31:37 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[ Re: A big complaint I wanted to vent about orvis  ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ Let me preface this by saying I&#39;m not an Orvis hater... or lover.  They are a decent company with excellent customer service (in my experience).  However
it is incorrect to say &quot;<em>Orvis has survived the Civil War, WW1, Great Depression, WW2, and too many recessions and calamities to count...&quot;</em> 
They have not.  Orvis, as we know it now, has been in continuous operation since 1964 when Perk Perkins purchased the company for $400,000.  He made profound
changes, keeping only... ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:58:33 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[ Re: A big complaint I wanted to vent about orvis  ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ ...Orvis??...What da heck is an orvis?... Did you mean orifice?... ;-) ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:49:56 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[ With what&#39;s free on the net.  Have not bothered to pick one up in years.<img src="http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif" alt="image">
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			<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:30:52 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[ Re: A big complaint I wanted to vent about orvis  ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ Heh, heh, Russel, I bet that if Victoria&#39;s Secret mistakenly included you on their mailing list and sent you 4-6 of the same catalog with different covers,
you wouldn&#39;t mind, or even notice, and in fact would be looking forward to the next mailing with rapt anticipation to learn what&#39;s new and latest in
their revered product line. ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:22:52 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[ Hopefully they pick up two people for everyone they lose like me.  I did not mind getting the one fly fishing catalog yearly and would not even mind it if they
sent me a supplemental insert (like anglers workshop) of new stuff they added or sales.  (They actually send me that also in their paper)  Now I will be
getting 0 catalogs from orvis and not seeing any of it even once.  I also looked on their web sight and was surprised to find out they use no post consumed
product in their catalogs or... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ caddis4,
<br>
Like you I am in sales, and I sell items that reinforce a message. It is our hope that these promotional products stay in &quot;front of sight&quot; to be keep
the message going. It&#39;s part of the marketing mix along with print media and ads on the Internet.
<br>
These catalogs have an audience, and they create a return on someones investment. The only way they will only disappear if people no longer buy from them.
<br>
<br>
Les ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ don&#39;t know how many of you are in sales, but I remember taking a sales training class where the instructor quoted, &quot; it takes on the average of five
attempts before the buyer agrees to buy.&quot; hence, the numbet of catalogs you receive. ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Well, i get a cabela&#39;s catalogue almost every day. I have the new spring and summer; the clothing and footwear, the fall preview, the new fly fishing, the
tackle craft, the fishing and marine, the footwear ; those are in just the month of June. My latest orvis came yesterday. Latest count totals was Orvis-4;
Cabela&#39;s 7!!!!!If i only had one of those Arkansas outhouses out of the past; my grandma would be tickled pink; all we got back in the DAY was Sears and
Spegal; the Spegal one was... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Boy did I make a mistake. I just noticed the labels on these Orvis bags were from different sources. They were sold out at the main operation and so contacted
the individual stores. The other stores sent me the braided loop connectors from their stocks. Orvis ate the additional shipping charges rather than tell me
they were sold out. Maybe this is why they have been in business since Peter, Paul and Moses. ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:55:47 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[ I had a problem with Harbor Freight. They sent so many catalogs it seemed there was one a week. Same with Northern Tool. Sent me hundreds of catalogs. Now it
is a heavy machinery sales outfit. Eventually they quit if you don&#39;t buy anything. Why do they do it? Well, one thing I learned in business school, when
times are tough, you don&#39;t fire your salesmen, and that is what a catalog is. At least all the plastic bags Orvis sent me with the little packets were
green (colored). ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:37:59 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[ Orvis has survived the Civil War, WW1, Great Depression, WW2, and too many recessions and calamities to count so it&#39;s pretty safe to assume they&#39;re not
going to go belly up due to our current economic situation.   I know I&#39;m in the minority here but I think if Orvis wants to wear the &quot;green
label&quot; and enjoy the money that comes with it then they should <span style="font-style: italic;">at the very least</span> make an effort to eliminate the
wasteful practice of sending... ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 01:01:41 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[ I ordered a nickel and dime product from Orvis, don&#39;t remember what it was, oh, it was the box of flies for $9.99, limit one per household. Good deal. Then
Orvis sent me a $25 dollar gift card for goodwill. Very good deal. They have braided loop connectors at 40% off, so I order six packets, each the size of a
playing card, each contains six connectors, using the gift card and a little of my own money. Orvis sent out the six packets in FOUR separate folded over
plastic bags, each big... ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:02:48 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[ Caddis4,
<br>
You nailed my sentiments: we need to consider all sides of the issue-not just one.
<br>
<br>
Les ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:25:43 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[ I hear what you guys are saying.....but: we lost Stoddards here in the Boston area - knew it all my life as &quot;THE&quot; Orvis store. Went to River&#39;s
Edge in Beverly to pick up some tying materials....store CLOSED...another Orvis equipped store. Now I have to pay $20 to park at the Quincy Market in Boston
for the closest Orvis store to me. Things are tough for businesses. They need to get themselves in front of the consumer to compete for the dwindling
discretionary dollar. Catalog... ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 08:34:21 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[ I&#39;m with you Riffling Hitch.  The amount of TU mailings I get really amazes me too.  Yeah, I know they do it for a reason, but waste is waste.
<br>
<br>
Certainly, though, even our &quot;healthy&quot; forests need better management.  Not long ago, I wrote an article on how indigenous peoples often cultivated
their environments.  Controlled burns, to think forests, is an example. ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote>
  <strong class="quote-title">Riffling Hitch wrote:</strong>
  <hr>
  Tim, &quot;Trees can kill a forest&quot;???. The forests seemed to do just fine before we got to them. Being from the PNW I can tell you that there is not
  timber like there was. A forest can be managed in many ways such as timber, recreation, aesthetics, and wildlife. The problem with managing our forests just
  for timber is that the regrowth will never meet its final stage of succession. This creates less... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ JS, thanks for the link.  That should take care of it.
<br>
<br>
Tim, &quot;Trees can kill a forest&quot;???.  The forests seemed to do just fine before we got to them.  Being from the PNW I can tell you that there is not
timber like there was.  A forest can be managed in many ways such as timber, recreation, aesthetics, and wildlife.  The problem with managing our forests just
for timber is that the regrowth will never meet its final stage of succession.  This creates less diversity in our... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Really I don&#39;t care if they send them out in a good economy either. I would not be considered &#39;green&#39;, whatever that means. I have seen for the
past decade the government push for corn based ethanol and E85 cars as &#39;green&#39; and that makes me skeptical of anything that has the &#39;green&#39;
label to it. Paper is a renewable resource and should also be recycled, if my community can do it then any place can. I have no problem with conserving if that
is what someone wants to... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ For a company that claims to be environmental they sure send an awful lot of paper my way.  I have received at least 6 catalogs from them since december and
they are all their flyfishing catalog.  I do not even by anything from them aside from a few spare parts for their old reels.  The catalogs have different
pictures on the front but the stuff inside is all the same.  I do not know if it is printed on recycled paper but it uses a lot of fuel and I am sure most of
it ends up in a landfill... ]]></description>

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